Sawmill and Timber

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Title: freedom!
Post by: Ox on September 28, 2017, 09:13:34 PM
I'm a new member here, several years member from another forestry type forum.  Is this place for real?  Free?  Free to speak the truth without fear of retaliation if you don't suck up to a sponsor?  Free from lies and deceit?  Free from sunshine being blown up my butt?  Free from polite and quiet bullying?  I'm in heaven!

Thanks to the folks who made this possible.  This place will become more and more popular - I'm sure of it.

Thanks to Kirk for getting my account in order so I could sign on and introduce myself.

Just finished up a back porch built from scratch made with lumber milled on my homemade sawmill.  Only things I bought was screws, post piers and steel roofing.  I'll get some pics up sometime soon I hope, so the newer folks just starting out know what can be done with little cash layout and perseverance and no small amount of stubbornness.

I feel free.  It's great!  :)

Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: furu on September 29, 2017, 01:31:06 AM
Welcome to the forum.

It is a bit slow at times.  We the members can make this place what we want to with our efforts.

Yes we owe Kirk for providing this forum in the form that he has.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on September 29, 2017, 01:45:19 PM
Nobody owes me anything.  In fact, we can all thank Jeff at the FF as it was his corrupt actions that lead to the creation of this site.  It cost's us less than $100 a year to operate this site and the adds have paid for that with about $20 bucks extra each year. 

Enjoy the Freedom! 
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on September 29, 2017, 07:03:51 PM
I've been reading through many posts and the atmosphere here is great.

I've had 2 run ins with Jeff already, both through PMs and both for speaking the truth.  I like the topics on FF and some of the characters there but I'm pretty sure I don't like Jeff and he doesn't like me.  His moderators also seem to be in on the crap there too.  Any words that aren't kissing his ass are immediately construed to being criticism as to how he runs his forum.  I hate liars.  I hate people who talk out of both sides of their mouth.  I hate manipulators.  So guess who I'm pretty sure I hate?  It's hard to take someone at face value when you don't really know what or who they are because of all the lies.

Thank God I found this place.  It feels like a patriot sanctuary.  And yes, I'm one of the quieter prepper type folks...   ;)
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on September 29, 2017, 09:42:16 PM
Glad to have you here!
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on September 29, 2017, 10:17:26 PM
Thank you very much - I'm glad to be here!  I'm glad Richard at Cutting Edge told me about it.  I would have never known I don't think.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: furu on October 01, 2017, 01:33:48 AM
Nobody owes me anything. 
Enjoy the Freedom! 

We do owe you the thanks that you deserve.  You set this up and you keep it free for folks that like to speak their mind without worry.

I do say thanks.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: joasis on October 01, 2017, 09:07:45 AM
Glad to have you on the forum!
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Stevem on October 01, 2017, 12:58:55 PM
How about running a PAID ad on FF for this forum?
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on October 02, 2017, 11:26:20 AM
 ;D That's funny right there!  In the greedy search for more money I wonder if it would be allowed.  I wonder how much it would cost?  I wonder if he would try to give you a lecture.  "That's two slaps across the peepee for even trying!" or something like that...
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on October 02, 2017, 02:34:21 PM
How about running a PAID ad on FF for this forum?

LOL  Now that is funny!  I would even pay for it!  LOL!
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: jb griffin on October 02, 2017, 08:25:18 PM
I'm a new member here, several years member from another forestry type forum.  Is this place for real?  Free?  Free to speak the truth without fear of retaliation if you don't suck up to a sponsor?  Free from lies and deceit?  Free from sunshine being blown up my butt?  Free from polite and quiet bullying?  I'm in heaven!

Thanks to the folks who made this possible.  This place will become more and more popular - I'm sure of it.

Thanks to Kirk for getting my account in order so I could sign on and introduce myself.

Just finished up a back porch built from scratch made with lumber milled on my homemade sawmill.  Only things I bought was screws, post piers and steel roofing.  I'll get some pics up sometime soon I hope, so the newer folks just starting out know what can be done with little cash layout and perseverance and no small amount of stubbornness.

I feel free.  It's great!  :)



My thoughts exactly Ox. Thats why I am here.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on October 03, 2017, 11:17:09 AM
Hey, jb griffin!  Welcome to the freedom, my friend.  Just a quick word of warning for you:  if you care about being on the "other forum" be careful what you write here and delete any incriminating PMs you might have saved over there.  I just got permanently banned today because of one of these things, I'm thinking.  1)  Kirk Allen has already proven that the PMs on the FF are NOT private and that Jeff has access to them.  Maybe I should have deleted them, but then again they probably go to a special folder so he can run a scanning program through them for key words.      2)   And either he or his mods nose around here to see what's being said. 

Hopefully the word will keep spreading to get the good, hardworking and patriotic folks over here from there.  NO FEAR of punishment for speaking the truth.  No fear.  Lord, it sounds like we're talking about an oppressive government here, and it's only a greedy little shit who doesn't like the truth about himself.  Unbelievable.

Coined by a good friend while haying:  "censorship is fear of the truth getting out"  Does this sound like anyone we know?  ::)
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: joasis on October 03, 2017, 05:59:32 PM
Welcome JB, glad to have you!
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: jb griffin on October 03, 2017, 06:10:35 PM
Ox, about 30 mins after I posted here last night I couldn't get on the other forum. Don't know what thats about.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on October 03, 2017, 06:17:17 PM
JB, I think at least a little bit comes from the fact that you, like me, didn't bow down to the bullying over there and stood upright and proud and said and did the right things.  Also the fact that Jeff has had a hard on for Richard at Cutting Edge for a while now and doesn't like anybody who puts up a favorable review for him.  This is probably just a little tip of the iceberg for all I know.  Plus the fact that you belong to this forum, with Kirk Allen in it, who stood up to Jeff and his lying and deceiving ways probably didn't help anything.  It truly is the actions of a jerk who doesn't want the world to know what he truly is.

But I'm firmly believing that the population over here will grow and things will become a little busier which I'm gathering most members would like to see.

Founded by patriots, run by patriots, using truth and honesty.  It's a beautiful thing here and I'm so very happy and proud to be part of it.  Many people have seen through the crap over at the FF and end up here, which is so much better.  There are many, many others over there that don't know this place exists and would gladly come here if they knew, but now my hands are tied and I can't let them know. 

I'll figure something out to get their attention.  Good people shouldn't live in fear of losing their membership to a forum because of speaking opinions and the truth.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: joasis on October 04, 2017, 08:00:47 AM
It is difficult to get a forum to grow....no doubt. That said....several guys who signed up here deleted their membership when a few of the watchers from the FF discovered they were here....and bullied them down.

Now.....let me say my little piece. If someone signs up here to simply connect with guys they want to discuss topics with and then back off because of bullying....well, they need to grow a set or go ahead and take off. I have zero respect for anyone who allows themselves to be bullied, and the peer pressure and bullying from a few guys over there is childish and lame.....and there is not one of them...Jeff or Tom or the other pieces of trash that would ever dare to confront Kirk or I in person. They are cowards, and certainly not men.

I am a public person, easy to find....Kirk is also....and if any of the cowards of the FF ever want to have this conversation in person, I would imagine that Kirk or I would be happy to schedule a time for them. I bet they all voted for Hillary too....lol.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on October 04, 2017, 11:02:42 AM
OOOOOOhHHHHhhh, OW!  A Hillary voter!  Bwahahahahahahah  :o  That one hurt. lol

I'm pretty sure you're right in the fact that none of this would be done in public face to face.  It's easy for bullies with the ban button to hide behind monitors and keyboards and dole out their kind of justice.

I would love to know more about the bullying to drop accounts here.  What the hell could anyone say?  Something like "you better figure out where your loyalties lie" or what?  What an absolute shit Jeff is.  It's difficult for me to wrap my head around his actions.  He seriously thinks he has the moral high ground behaving how he does.  Bipolar?  Schizophrenic?  Clearly paranoid, but what else?

And for the record, I agree with your ideas of cowards who back down from bullying.  The first time he banned me it was for a month then a day later he "gave me a second chance".  I went ahead and wrote out a long response basically kissing his ass and I could hear him a grinning clear back here.  It worked and I was back on.  I was quiet, just reading the happenings with some of the good folks.  I spoke my opinion of him on here and wham!  I'm banned permanently now.  That dude is off his hinges.  And the craziest thing is how good he is at manipulation and re direction.  He would be a textbook politician which makes him all the more likable, no?  ;)

It's nice to vent among others who have been wronged.  I know I did the right thing by speaking the truth.  Perhaps I had to pay some consequences, but so be it.  Good will always prevail.  I don't envy what Jeff has waiting for him at the end of his dishonorable life.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: 4x4American on October 04, 2017, 11:52:54 AM
Welcome OX man.  Hopefully it starts picking up over here.  How that famous quote goes, money is the root of all evil...time and time again it proves to be true, and that's what it always seem to boil down to. 
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on October 04, 2017, 02:13:37 PM
Did I mention that we DO NOT accept donations? 
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: joasis on October 04, 2017, 06:36:07 PM
And we don't have pity party pig roasts to make the sheep feel like they need to contribute to keep the forum "free" (keeping Jeff in money since he is too lazy to work like the rest of us do). Bet you he is scamming for food stamps and disability too.


By the way, we do not censor posts. If you have an opinion, say it. No ass kissing needed, or sponsor kissing.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on October 04, 2017, 06:39:41 PM
I love this place more each day.  You guys are great.  There are great guys on the FF who need to come here.

Question:  how small is a "man" who bans someone for something he wrote in another forum?  Especially when it's the truth? 
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on October 04, 2017, 07:36:55 PM
You can always tell the size of a man by the size of the things that piss him off!  LOL!   
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on October 04, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
By golly, that's a good one.  A really good one.  I hope my memory will allow me to retain this one!
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: joasis on October 07, 2017, 10:14:45 AM
Ox, about 30 mins after I posted here last night I couldn't get on the other forum. Don't know what thats about.

By the way jb, welcome to the club!
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on October 07, 2017, 04:38:24 PM
Oh, did I mention that if you post pictures on this forum.............YOU still own them and I have no legal right to them?  LOL 
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on October 07, 2017, 06:50:49 PM
Yep!  The only pics he's got of me is my ugly mug in front of some monster locust trees down by the hogs back of the old homeplace.  He can have them.  I hope they get seared in his memory cause I'm kind of an ornery looking old big bastard.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: joasis on October 08, 2017, 05:52:29 AM
I take credit for the picture fiasco....when Jeff decided to show me what an ass he is, as well as not knowing his field of expertise (master sawyer, no one know more), then I decided to no longer participate. I removed and deleted all my pictures, and they could not recover them. I posted a lot of stuff, and so those poor guys while whining about me "destroying" threads, etc., had to go around and delete my posts so the rest of the sheep would not see the empty holes.

Kirk, Frank, and I decided from day one that we would have no rules and the pictures you post are your property. Want to delete them? It isn't our place to make false claims of ownership.

I haven't been near the FF since then, but it already was being operated with an unbelievable amount of administration and petty rules...."to insure they could protect the vulnerable forum from predators", and what that really meant was what many of us oppose in real life....an overreaching authoritarian government.....everyone knows who is a true patriot that our Founding Fathers said it best...the least government is the best government.

That is why we don't burden members with dictatorial mods and chicken shit clowns that have a primary duty to please a few on the FF to get to participate. Unreal. Men being sheep.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on October 08, 2017, 09:13:52 AM
You guys are friggin' awesome and I really, really love it hear!  See that word friggin'?  It would have been changed to something liberal like "neat-o" I think by the program over at FF.  Because, you know, friggin' is a clean word used to represent a dirty word.  I'll go stand in the corner now.

Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on October 08, 2017, 12:39:43 PM
Oh, almost forgot, we DO NOT demand your money in the form of a commission if you sell something that is listed on our forum.  Although I cant say for sure, I know that after I sold an LT40Super I listed on the FF, immediately after that he demanded a commission on all sales.   Greed!  That is all Jeff knows. 
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: furu on October 08, 2017, 12:58:49 PM
There were post there on FF some months back where a member's widow/wife was having another member sell the deceased man's mill stuff and there was this "crowing" about how they were doing this with a reduced commission.  Oh how honorable; a destitute, emotionally shattered widow who has recently lost her husband is not even being comp'ed the commission to zero.  Even if you give the man his right to do what he wants on his site, charging this woman any commission on the sales of her husband's, a former noted member, equipment show something and we know what that is.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on October 08, 2017, 07:08:42 PM
I'm pretty sure that's the one where somehow that old widow was charmed into donating ALL of that money to the FF.  Those sonsabitches oughta be downright ashamed of themselves but I just know that they think they're on some kind of moral high ground.  Greed.  Money.  I just don't get it.  I'm 99.9% sure I wouldn't change much at all if I fell into a bunch of money.  I'd move to a freer state.  I'd be able to get a secluded cabin type house on water somewhere.  I'd drive vehicles in better shape and be able to pay to fix them.  I still wouldn't buy a new vehicle because it's just my principal.  Plenty of used ones in great shape for much less than new.  Driving off the showroom floor and losing a grand or more?  No thanks!  I'd buy me an older trawler style boat with a single diesel for economical cruising and do the Great Loop.  Hell, I might be able to have the better automated equipment so I could still get logs and mill them and be able to hire a good man to help me.  It would be the same ME, just living an easier life.  I certainly wouldn't be lying or changing my honor for greed.  I just couldn't sleep if I did.  I'm honest to a fault and that's what Jeff couldn't stand about me.  My honesty and the truth about him just don't jive for him and conning others on his forum.  Therefore he had to ban me because I was a threat.  If I'm a threat because of honesty then I know I'm doing the right thing.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: joasis on October 08, 2017, 08:34:07 PM
Sp let me get this straight....you say a widow was conned out of her money by pressing her to donate the proceeds of the sale of her late husband's equipment to donate it to the forum?

Now that is simply beyond dishonesty. Not only does the leach Jeff and a few others lie about what it costs to maintain a forum, and collect fees from sponsors and others when the money goes to his pocket....to take from a widow by dishonest means....well....I have heard it all.

I would ask how he sleeps at night, but we know if you have no morals, no scruples, and certainly no integrity, then sleep is all you need. What a scum bag.   
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on October 08, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
Let me guess, it was after Tom passed?   
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: joasis on October 09, 2017, 06:16:48 AM
I can't imagine what kind of a swamp creature would con anyone out of money in that way to support a lie. If coning members and sponsors out of cash isn't enough.....oh well. Jeff will face a great judge someday.....and probably try to lie his way out of that also.

The Contractor Talk Forum isn't subsidized...like this one, stands alone....and actually, is extremely profitable. There is nothing that needs to have money collected for unless you paid for a service to do the technical support, and I bet that isn't a few hundred dollars a year.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on October 09, 2017, 10:36:07 AM
Yes, after old Tom passed.  I think it was Andy White's widow.  I'm not completely sure.  I'm not allowed on the FF to do any research.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on October 09, 2017, 03:59:15 PM
I'll also have to say I don't know for a fact this is how it happened, but the end result is the same.  He accepted a grieving widow's donation of money from her dead husband's donation drive or sale of his sawmilling/forestry type equipment.  I don't know how much.  But the fact that he accepted even a single cent from a forum member's widow speaks volumes to me.  If it were me, I would have thanked her graciously but politely and firmly refused.  How can a man do that?  Makes me sick how people can be.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: A.O. on December 21, 2017, 12:39:08 PM
New guy here, taking this all in.  :D I had actually registered over there a couple days ago, awaiting an "approval" email from them that I can join.. I guess I'll not bother.. thanks for saving me in advance! >:D

And Ox... where are those pictures you promised on the original post? I'd love to see them.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: HaroldCR - AKA Fla.-Deadheader on December 21, 2017, 03:20:16 PM
 Have any of you guys that migrated over here since "TOM" passed away heard any rumors as how I screwed Tom and was blackballed ?  My handle was Fla.Deadheader. There was/is a place where you had to ASK to be allowed to participate. It was a carefully scrutinized membership.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on December 21, 2017, 05:24:31 PM
How you screwed Tom?  You mean his claim that you basically stole his woodmizer and made a copy of it then sold it? LOL 
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: HaroldCR - AKA Fla.-Deadheader on December 21, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
It's more profound than that.  ::)
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on December 21, 2017, 06:31:18 PM
Man, that's a story I'd love to hear.  I thought, in my mind, that Tom couldn't be a better person.  If he accused what you're saying he accused it certainly changes my opinion...

As to pictures I promised - I ain't dead yet and as such my promise still stands!  I have to be totally bored and willing to screw around with all the electronic gadgetry.  I'm not at that point right now is all!  I have plenty to do.  Plus all my stuff is wrapped up and mostly put away for the winter so pics wouldn't do any justice.  It'll have to be summer sometime.  Hopefully after my front porch build which I plan on doing in the spring as early as I can so I don't die in the summer heat and humidity.  Then in the dog days of summer I can putter around and pose the machinery and make nice pics for everyone.  Old and ugly is the way I roll... :laugh:
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: HaroldCR - AKA Fla.-Deadheader on December 21, 2017, 07:33:30 PM
Let me be clear. I don't and never did have a problem. We were traveling buddies, etc.  He may have slipped in a comment when he was seriously ill and went to visit his other buddy. I am not and will not say anything bad about Tom.

 I'm just waiting to see if anything was ever said about me and him.

 I got several Jeffy stories.  >:D
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on December 21, 2017, 08:25:55 PM
I know when Buzz and I went to Florida and spent the day sawing with Tom, the story he told us was that Harold was provided an lt40 of Tom's so that he could build a mill based off of that design.  After built, you never returned the lt40 and sold it, even though it was not yours. 

Harold, we were told that on the trip down when we met with your son and had dinner at his place.   The same trip I replaced the pads on my front rotors in the parking lot of your storage shed.  LOL
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: HaroldCR - AKA Fla.-Deadheader on December 21, 2017, 09:57:25 PM
That is absolutely NOT true. If TOM told you that, it greatly diminishes my respect. I want verification of who said that. I will wait until after Xmas to tell my story.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on December 21, 2017, 10:54:41 PM
I know it's not true but that is what I was told by Tom.  In fact, two separate trips the subject came up. 

Title: Re: freedom! MY RESPONSE
Post by: HaroldCR - AKA Fla.-Deadheader on December 22, 2017, 08:46:36 AM
This is going to be a long read, so, get yer beverages ready.  I am not going into a mud slinging pissing contest or badmouthing of Tom. This is my complete and honest version to what Kirk posted.

 I have been shot at and missed but never thought I would be shit at and hit, especially behind my back.
I have been up since 2AM, USA time, trying to figure out why Tom would say something like that, behind my and my Son's back. My Son won't take this well. He really thought a lot of Tom. My wife here knew Tom, and when I read what Kirk had written, she just looked at me and could not speak. She adored Tom.

 Tom is not able to defend his actions, so, I will not go there. I will just tell my side of the story and
y'all can believe what you want.

 I started out on the Woodweb forum, looking for info on the river logging idea and that's where I was contacted
by Tom, to go over to the Forestry Forum. I believe I was #185 or so to register ?
I started to ask about portable sawmills, because we were being downgraded prices on our river logs.
I admit, we were not finding big logs and the buyer was helping us along by buying what we brought him. It just wasn't enough.
 So, I decided to build a bandmill. Nearly everyone on the FF thought I was crazy and were offering no encouragement.
Anyway, I pushed on and finally told my Son we were going to build an oversized WoodMizer, and I showed him the catalog they sent me.
Even he raised his eyebrows at me and said, OOooooooo K. We had a welding shop and sand scoop manufacturing business we started from scratch, so we had the means. I spent hours measuring parts on the brochure and scaling them to what we needed. Also got a little help on the FF, but not a lot. Slowly we started and after 4 months we were ready to start it up and see if we could keep the blade on.
Actually, I had upright bandsaw experience and knew about the tracking adjustments. All this time, Tom was saying he just couldn't see this coming together, but he offered encouragement. We finally had a stump and a log to try, and just could not get the blade to saw straight across
the stump and log. It seemed to run at a 30 degree angle, idle wheel side trailing. Tom offered to come down, a 3.5 hour trip house to house and see if he could help. So be it. He stayed over and went home the next day after I fixed breakfast. We kept working on the mill and had all the smartasses at the warehouse compound laughing and joking about the fiasco sawmill project. A month or so later we went back to logging.
We, a partner and I were not doing well, so, I made a rash decision and went up a tributary river and started finding better logs. Things were looking up, but, the buyer was now screwing us around on the scale and cut the price, pissing me off.
The partner was getting desperate to make a salary of some kind and soon left me holding the bag with a $35,000.00 2nd mortgage on our house.
 
 My Son came up to the campsite and we went scouting, finding more logs, only, not big diameter logs. Buyer kept on shorting us, so, I said fine and never went back.
Now it was Son and me, and I struggled along while he built and shipped scoops and would come up on Sat and Sunday and we would pull a few logs.
This was all black water diving, you can't see your hands in the water.
Anyway, come October of that year, I read about the Moultrie Georgia Ag and Sawmill expo and got Tom to go up with us. He had been before. While there, my Son had drifted off and had talked to a blade vendor in a small tent. He got me to go talk to the guy, and he sent us a free blade 3 days later.
We were trying to saw some Yellow Pine lumber for the campsite owner and making a mess and breaking blades. With the new blade in hand, we went to the camp, 4 hours away.
We put the blade on, adjusted it up, and tried a log we had problems with. Damn blade just melted right through that log. We could not believe it.
 4 hours later we had a stack of 457 bd/ft of dock decking and the camp owner was amazed.

 Onward and upward, we HAD a working mill and did not NEED Tom's WoodMizer. He and I made several road trips together and got along well, so I thought. One day, he offered us his old LT40 mill. It needed refurbing, and after seeing what we had accomplished, he said, I'd like you guys to take the WoodMizer and fix it up. It's not for sale, but maybe my Son could take it and build a custom sawing business. That way, IF he ever wanted it back, he knew where it would be. We didn't want to do this, but, we had become good friends, and appreciated his trust in us, so, we reluctantly agreed. At least, I told him, the mill would be refurbished.

 After having the mill slightly taken apart, we sand blasted and primered and painted the main frame. Up/down and forward/reverse motors were not working,
part of the rear cover where sawdust accumulates were rotted away, main power belt was bad, both blade wheel belts were bad, engine had not been started in several years, etc.
 
 Now, a year after we brought the mill home, and being crazy with working to pay bills, we were not all that far along with the WoodMizer, when we were hit with 3 back to back to back
hurricanes, partly tearing up the house roof shingles, no power for over 2 weeks, no work, our lumber buyers lumber yard torn up and the building they stored what we sold them, collapsed around them, then my wife passes away, unexpectedly, my best friend up north, his wife passed away, my buddy gold prospector down here falls and dies 17 days later, I about lost it. I started having flashbacks from 'Nam, what the hell would anybody expect ? I talked it over with my 3 grown son and daughters and said I was considering selling the house, they would get some money and I would go to CR and saw lumber.
 After that, I called Tom and explained why we didn't get his mill rebuilt and would get it back to his house within a week. He was disappointed, but, what can I say ?
We DID take it back up there and parked it under an open shed on the side of his storage barn. Every part of that mill was returned including the manuals and a big box of new and used parts,
except for the 2 manual log stops we had misplaced somehow. The last I talked with Tom, a guy named Rusty that Tom knew had the mill and was sawing in Georgia.
This all happened after I was sitting in CR waiting for my container to be delivered with the Peterson sawmill, clothes, tools, etc.

This is the first time I have heard this story.

 Now, if this is the way to get treated by being upfront and truthful, I guess I need to become an old prick and be mean and nasty to everyone, right ?

 Harold Matthews AKA Fla.Deadheader

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Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on December 22, 2017, 09:14:20 AM
God, this sucks.

Harold, thanks for writing such a thorough and long story explaining your story, life, life experiences, etc. and I'm sorry to hear about your huge losses in rapid fire fashion.  Nobody worth living deserves all of that...

I'm at a loss as to what to say about the sawmill situation with Tom.  Why?  Why is all I can say.  :-\
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on December 22, 2017, 11:49:02 AM
Only one thing came to mind when I had my multiple visits with Tom in Flordia.  Jealousy of others.  His health was not good and it was all he could do to walk when Buzz and I were sawing with him.  Cant explain his comments outside of speculation. 
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: furu on December 22, 2017, 12:00:43 PM
For those of you that knew Tom any chance he was in the early stages of AD or even just plain vanilla vascular dementia?  With his deteriorating health that can actually bring on the symptoms of Alzheimers much more quickly and acutely.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: HaroldCR - AKA Fla.-Deadheader on December 22, 2017, 02:24:51 PM
Kirk, I would like to hear what you think was the reason for his actions. I think I know why. You can PM or Skype if you like. I'm not debating or outing a dead man out in public anymore.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: 4x4American on December 26, 2017, 09:45:11 AM
Is CR Costa Rica?
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: HaroldCR - AKA Fla.-Deadheader on December 26, 2017, 01:00:49 PM

 YESSIR, CR is Costa Rica. If you ever decide to head this far south, let me know. Everyone on here is welcome. Just don't blame us because you get sick from sugar in your food, because you didn't mention your health problem to us, like happened once before.  ::)  :laugh:
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: 4x4American on December 31, 2017, 02:41:58 PM
Holy cow, that's a long way down there!  About a 4,225mi drive for me...I would melt being that close to the equator lol
What's the temp down there right now? 
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: HaroldCR - AKA Fla.-Deadheader on December 31, 2017, 03:15:16 PM
Pretty much the same year round. 65-85 degrees F , right now coming close to getting out of the end of rainy season.

 Gotta laugh about all that equator heat stuff. Ecuador had my attention for a few years, and it runs around 75 degrees year round at sea level. Always colder in the mountains though.  We DO have airports down here.  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: 4x4American on December 31, 2017, 08:06:13 PM
really??  That don't sound too bad 65-85 year round.  I would have a hard time learning to speak fluent spanish tho
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on December 31, 2017, 08:19:51 PM
That sounds downright reasonable temperature wise if you ask me...

Aren't there some equatorial countries that are hotter than hell?  Why is it so temperate where you are?  It's a good thing I'd say, that it was so reasonable.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: 4x4American on December 31, 2017, 08:27:16 PM
Maybe because of all the water right next to them?
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: HaroldCR - AKA Fla.-Deadheader on December 31, 2017, 09:43:13 PM
My spanish is poor at best. Most of the time the natives ignore what I say, so, I then revert to English. :laugh: :laugh:  I live way out in the country, others prefer to hang with the Gringos.

 It gets pretty humid here, so, it depends on where you live. We have 3 months of occasional rain, then pretty regular rain the rest of the year. Over on the Pacific side, they don't get measurable rain for up to 6 months before the rainy season returns. 

 I believe the Sun has the most effect on temps.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: bandmiller2 on January 01, 2018, 06:34:10 AM
I spent two years in the Philippines much like CR two seasons wet and dry. Most days sunny and beautiful just before rainy season it gets real humid. A couple of months of rain which is welcome as it cools things down. One year it flooded so bad trucks could not get to the base from the brewery in  Manila, navy had to send a barge on a beer run. Frank C.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: HaroldCR - AKA Fla.-Deadheader on January 01, 2018, 07:53:46 AM
That Sun comment didn't come out right. The Sun does not heat at the equator like it does the northern hemisphere. The cold Pacific ocean might have cooling effects on the air that passes over the mountainous equator region.

 It's been a couple hundred years since I was in Geology classes in high school.  ::) ::) ;D
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on January 01, 2018, 07:59:43 AM
I spent two years in the Philippines much like CR two seasons wet and dry. Most days sunny and beautiful just before rainy season it gets real humid. A couple of months of rain which is welcome as it cools things down. One year it flooded so bad trucks could not get to the base from the brewery in  Manila, navy had to send a barge on a beer run. Frank C.

Spent some time there myself.  All TDY but it added up over time.  Interesting country to say the least.  Clark AFB no longer there after the volcano blew.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on January 01, 2018, 10:01:32 AM
Please forgive my ignorance...what is TDY?  I'm assuming it's a military acronym?

For the record:  I tried to enlist but was rejected because of my bad left shoulder.  I was 19 at the time.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Kirk Allen on January 01, 2018, 11:01:56 AM
TDY- Temporary Duty Yonder
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: furu on January 01, 2018, 12:51:09 PM
More than you really want to know.

TDY   Temporary Duty Yonder (military slang)

A temporary duty assignment (TDA),
also known as "temporary duty travel" (TDT),
"temporary additional duty" (TAD) in the Navy and Marine Corps (or TDI for "temporary duty under instruction", referring to training assignments),
or "temporary duty" (TDY) in the Army and Air Force.

In the U.S. military, the abbreviation "TDY" stands for temporary duty. Temporary duty refers to the situation when a soldier or other employee is assigned to serve at a location that is not his permanent station.
Generally, TDY assignments are shorter than six months in duration. If an assignment lasts longer than that, most organizations consider the assignment to be a permanent change of station. Soldiers can be assigned anywhere for their TDY assignments.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: starmac on January 01, 2018, 04:23:45 PM
After I bought my mill it was a few months before I picked it up. In the meantime I found the FF and read anything to do with sawing threads all the way back to a point to the threads were in a different format and hard to follow. I never seen Tom mention that his mill had been stolen or anything else bad about you or anybody from him. I do remember him saying his woodmizer had rust issues that made it totally unusable. I also seem to remember that he had mentioned sometime that someone in Georgia had it back to making lumber, for some reason I thought it was some kind of kinfolk to him.

Maybe there was something bad healthwise going on with Tom that made his memory go south, which would be sad, but really not unusual, just going by his post that I read, I always thought he would be good to know personally.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: joasis on January 02, 2018, 07:24:32 AM
TDY- Temporary Duty Yonder

Good one...I had heard that one years back, along with "temporarily divorced for a year, and a few others, but I had to take a second thought to know if that was really what it meant.

I never had an overseas assignment, or TDY, but did some cross country training to the "yonder" down south.  Extended training missions, ETMs.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: joasis on January 02, 2018, 07:26:02 AM
I never seen Tom mention that his mill had been stolen or anything else bad about you or anybody from him.

Maybe there was something bad healthwise going on with Tom that made his memory go south, which would be sad, but really not unusual, just going by his post that I read, I always thought he would be good to know personally.

I guess I draw a blank, but the only Tom I knew that the clown with the alligator as a GIF.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Stevem on January 02, 2018, 02:14:15 PM
At one point in Nam there was a limit on the number of assigned personnel in country.
TDY (Temp duty) and PCS (Permanent Change of Station) differences were used during Nam to keep the number of stationed  people down.  If you were TDY you weren't assigned as being in country as far as head count went.
In the USAF anything over 90 days was considered assigned and PCS'd thus we had 89 day TDYs then a trip to the Philippians for a week at your "assigned" base. 
Oh the games we played
Like wise the B52's flying out of the Philippians and Abo Garcia weren't assigned in country so not counted against the head count.
Title: Re: freedom!
Post by: Ox on January 02, 2018, 03:27:37 PM
These kind of mind games and half truths bring to mind the word "misinformation".  The government has said in the past:  "We didn't lie to you.  It was misinformation."  Aaaaaaahhhhhhh, the dulcet sounds of being treated like a mushroom, sunshine being blown up my ass and pissing down my neck and telling me it's raining.

Still, could be worse.  This forum could not exist.  Now wouldn't that suck?  lol