Post by: A.O. on September 20, 2018, 01:39:28 PM
A Jet 16" open stand planer, the guy wants $850 but I've not been able to get him to respond.
Just today I located a Grizzly G1021, its older and "looks" ok. It has the cast iron in & out feed tables and a 3hp motor, and comes with a mobile base which I would need anyway. He is asking $450 and its about 3 hrs away... Whatcha think?
Post by: bandmiller2 on September 24, 2018, 07:04:41 AM
Post by: A.O. on September 24, 2018, 07:31:57 AM
Post by: Ox on September 24, 2018, 08:49:14 AM
Edit: I had to look up the opposite of advanced because suppressed just didn't seem right. It came up as:
impede, hinder, stagnate
among others. Boy, do those three words ring a bell! :-X
Post by: furu on September 24, 2018, 10:30:50 AM
Well if we are taking into account the terms used when talking ignition timing there is another term but it has become very politically incorrect.
Try being an engine mechanics and talking about ignition timing and stay out of PC trouble.
Ignition advanced, ignition retarded . Boy is that a minefield anymore.
Post by: A.O. on September 24, 2018, 10:33:37 AM
Opposite of advanced?
Well if we are taking into account the terms used when talking ignition timing there is another term but it has become very politically incorrect.
Try being an engine mechanics and talking about ignition timing and stay out of PC trouble.
Ignition advanced, ignition retarded . Boy is that a minefield anymore.
That's great !! Then (hopefully) I'm not retarded!! And I am, With Out a Doubt, not politically correct!! ;-)
Post by: Ox on September 25, 2018, 09:12:07 AM
I know what you mean about the political correctness these days. Most of it, if not all of it, is nothing more than 10 pounds of sewage stuffed into a 5 pound sack. Many of these political activists have been caught receiving money and/or admitting to being paid by higher ups to sow divisiveness among the population. I think you'll also notice none of these little political turds have jobs, either. Imagine that - lazy, unemployed, self entitled, special feeling snowflakes screaming for socialism/communism so they can have their "gibs me dats" all the while screaming about how anyone opposed to their thoughts are nazis and fascists and need to die. Do they realize Hitler and the Nazi party were...........socialist? And that fascists are the ones who are intolerant of opposing views and resort to violence when opposed? These horrible wastes of air don't seem to see just how hypocritical they are. Amazing.
Sorry for the rant. I just hate the powers that be who are paying for these "professional protesters" to cause havoc and problems in our country. Make no mistake - there are many very powerful people interested in making the USA a third world communist country. I also can't help but notice much of this shit started during the Obama administration. I know the wheels were in motion for decades but it seems to burst to the surface during the traitor's presidency.
Post by: furu on September 25, 2018, 02:04:37 PM
Post by: Kojba on September 25, 2018, 07:17:03 PM
Post by: A.O. on September 26, 2018, 06:28:38 AM
Post by: bandmiller2 on September 26, 2018, 07:03:21 AM
Post by: A.O. on September 26, 2018, 07:08:01 AM
AO, the guys get off on a tangent, maybe I should have said home shop, semi professional and professional planers. Planers are a expensive high maintenance item that are a pain in the ass to adjust. The home depot types are fine for small stuff but are left wanting if much is to be done. Myself I have an old Parks cast iron planer 12", I drive with a tractor PTO. You will just have to keep your eyes open for good used or spend some bucks on a good new planer. A lot of cabinet shops have gone to the new style planers with the staggered teeth on the drum and will sell their old planers. Good luck mate one will come along. Frank C.
Thanks Frank.. I am in total agreement with what is being said above... but I am looking for some planer advice. ;-)
I may still go have a look at that grizzly if its still available in a couple weeks, should help with the price if its not selling.
Post by: Ox on September 26, 2018, 08:57:08 AM
Back to planers.
The Grizzly would likely be a good one.
You could go to any woodworking business and ask about an old planer they might know about. Many times these places are approached by folks who want to sell their better-than-bottom-rung planers.
Keep checking Craigslist and Ebay.
Put the word out to family and friends.
Put a wanted ad up on Craigslist.
Check local paper classifieds.
Put a wanted ad up in local classifieds.
And I'm spent...
Post by: A.O. on September 26, 2018, 09:24:39 AM
Sorry for the thread drift.
Back to planers.
The Grizzly would likely be a good one.
You could go to any woodworking business and ask about an old planer they might know about. Many times these places are approached by folks who want to sell their bette- than-bottom-rung planers.
Keep checking Craigslist and Ebay.
Put the word out to family and friends.
Put a wanted ad up on Craigslist.
Check local paper classifieds.
Put a wanted ad up in local classifieds.
And I'm spent...
Thread drift is fine, its part of forums, I've no complaint about it.
I have wanted adds in Craigslist an FB marketplace
I keep checking both
No local classifieds, papers have died..
Got my eyes out everywhere I know.
Post by: furu on September 26, 2018, 11:07:37 AM
Post by: Ox on September 27, 2018, 09:28:42 AM
Do you have anything for trade? Sometimes these sellers can be talked into trading, which helps to take some money off the final price.
I once traded an old arc welder that I never used anymore for $150 off a Power King/Economy tractor and attachments. I don't do much buying these last few years (just fixing and maintaining a lot), but if I was, you can bet I'd be throwing some possible trades their way.
All of my planer shopping and thoughts are null now because my uncle gave me an old Rigid planer that he never used. It's an older one, no longer made and no parts availability but it was free and so the price was right. I had to rig up a raise/lower handle for it and get it free and moving again. It was brand new but sat around in east Texas humidity for the last 20 years or so. It works well enough for what it is and I never look a gift horse in the mouth. ^-^
Post by: mike p on October 02, 2018, 11:04:15 AM
Post by: A.O. on October 02, 2018, 12:52:21 PM
so where is the Promised Land or where are you located the map doesn't show up on my smartphone
I'm thinking the map isn't working right now, along with a bunch of other stuff here on this site.
The promised land is north central South Carolina, after finally escaping the horror which is colorado! I resided there for 7 incredibly long years! Notice I said resided, I did not consider it living!! ;-)
Post by: Ox on October 05, 2018, 08:01:38 AM
This is one of the reasons I've got my sights set firmly on the deep south (not TX, too many Californians and New Yorkers down there for my liking). When's the last time you heard anything about moving to Alabama or Georgia or Mississippi or Louisiana? I might even consider South Carolina. Possibly Tennessee.
Post by: A.O. on October 05, 2018, 08:41:32 AM
I'm interested to know what you didn't like about Colorado. I've heard as long as you stay out of the cities it's great and was under the impression it was one of the better states to live in, but that the liberals are trying like hell to change all the country folk around to living and thinking like they do and that perhaps it's becoming more liberal because of all the Kalifornia people coming around.
This is one of the reasons I've got my sights set firmly on the deep south (not TX, too many Californians and New Yorkers down there for my liking). When's the last time you heard anything about moving to Alabama or Georgia or Mississippi or Louisiana? I might even consider South Carolina. Possibly Tennessee.
What I didn't like about colorado? HaHa!! I do not have enough time to get into ALL of that!! I have lived all over this country, ILL,IND,OHIO,TEXAS,OKLAHOMA ,MISSOURI,SOUTH CAROLINA and resided in colorado, I would not consider it living in that state!
I'll hit on a couple points to start, but its pretty much pick a subject and colorado sucked at it.
The weather.. horrific.. rained most every day, not enough to do any good like watering a garden or anything, just enough to get everything dirty! Oh, and probably the dirtiest place I've been good luck keeping you car clean. Speaking about the car, the road system is the worst I've seen, most of the side roads are gravel and the main roads while paved are of such disrepair its incredible. People there have NO clue how to drive, when I moved there I was averaging about 18,000 miles a year on my motorcycle, by the time I left it was about 3000 miles a year. Got to be more of an annoyance than an enjoyable thing to do!
Want me to continue?? EVERYTHING there is overpriced! Food, land , housing whatever... they think they are special so they jack the prices for no reason!! I had a house on 10 acres, it was almost twice expensive as this house and 100 acres. this has all useable property with ponds springs river, that one was on a side of a hill with almost NO useable property!
The people for the most part were uppity and thought they were special for being there, there favorite line was "oh, I'm a native" my response was always, "sorry to hear that" they'd been there all there life and knew nothing else.
Thats it, I'm tired of typing, but you get the idea.. If I never step in that state or see snow again I'll die happy.. uh oh.. speaking of snow... I had snow anywhere from September to May and anywhere in-between! Just as you get to March I', thinking springtime... and we get hit with another 2-3 foot deep storm!
I hate colorado probably more than anything else on this planet, except maybe the left!
Glad you asked? >:D >:D
Texas is great, just stay away from Austin, great city to visit (I'll be going at thanksgiving to visit my daughter) And I like running around that town, just dont live there! Any of those other states you listed would be fine I'm thinking, although I wouldn't want to live on the coast due to the hurricane threat. I'm about 130 miles from the coast and it seems by the time they get that far inland they've lost their kick. Now I'm only going by 4 years experience being here and I suppose we'll get some damage sometime but I cant attest to that from experience!
Post by: Ox on October 06, 2018, 02:45:45 PM
Are you worried about the constant influx of people from Kalifornia and NY and such flooding into Texas? I know it's a big state, but.........
Texas has always appealed to me but it seems that real estate is quite pricey compared to surrounding states. That, and the fact that it worries me about the flooding in of city types from the afore-mentioned states.
I figured that if I chose a state that you hardly ever hear about it would suit us just fine. My wife has a background in CNC machining and is currently in an apprenticeship for tool maker. She also has managing background in retail and with horses. I reckon finding a decent job for her just about anywhere is do-able. I'm a government funded cripple so don't have to worry about finding a "job" but I'm busy as hell just keeping this place alive what with all the constant repairs and new building and sawmilling. I generally can't get in an 8 hour day anymore because of the pain and energy factors, but it ain't for lack of trying.
Post by: mike p on October 06, 2018, 03:03:55 PM
Post by: Ox on October 07, 2018, 08:21:04 AM
After seeing what's happened in this world in the last 10 years or so I'm actively suggesting to our 2 kids to seriously consider not having children. I wouldn't want to bring a baby into this garbage. At least not until a whole bunch is fixed. Maybe a double Trump administration can change something but I doubt it. There are very powerful and wealthy powers that be that want the U.S.A. destroyed. *sigh* >:(
Post by: A.O. on October 07, 2018, 08:54:11 AM
It's funny you mention gun laws. It's actually one of the main reasons, among many, that we want to move. What do you do against a governor who passes a gun law at 12:01 AM without public perusal OR acceptance and then nothing is done about it afterward? It's an illegal law which is ignored by millions. But once in a while I read about some poor (and admittedly dumb) bastard who gets a class E felony slapped on him for possessing a magazine with higher than 10 rounds capacity (dumb because he wasn't counting his shots and pausing in between 7 shots fired). Class E felony is what child molesters are commonly given. It's nowhere close to the same thing. Andrew Cuomo needs to just go and die in whatever way he thinks is best because he's a traitor and a liar and a thief and doesn't give two shits about us poor upstate NY folk. And yet he stays in power because NYC apparently loves him and they outnumber us upstaters by a lot and so votes from us don't count.
After seeing what's happened in this world in the last 10 years or so I'm actively suggesting to our 2 kids to seriously consider not having children. I wouldn't want to bring a baby into this garbage. At least not until a whole bunch is fixed. Maybe a double Trump administration can change something but I doubt it. There are very powerful and wealthy powers that be that want the U.S.A. destroyed. *sigh* >:(
Ha, that was the straw that broke the camels back for me also, when the puppet governor of uglyrado started signing unconstitutional laws into effect, we were gone shortly there after! Two main prerequisites were no or almost no snow, and a RED state, would not even consider looking at any others!
And I do not know how they get away with installing illegal laws but they do! Hopefully Mr Trump will change all that!!
Post by: mike p on October 08, 2018, 03:05:36 PM
Post by: bandmiller2 on October 08, 2018, 07:02:48 PM
Post by: Ox on October 10, 2018, 06:38:32 PM
Post by: mike p on October 12, 2018, 04:38:43 PM
Lot of stupid power grabbers
Post by: A.O. on October 28, 2018, 08:58:31 AM
I have a line on a Delta DC 580 planer, 5 hp, single phase with a set of extra blades and mobile base. The guy says he's the second owner and its in good shape, and looking at the pics it looks to be what he says. $1300... thoughts? Oh , and about 3 1/2 hrs away.
Post by: furu on October 28, 2018, 11:39:47 AM
Post by: A.O. on October 28, 2018, 11:41:51 AM
What do they go for as a comparison when you search them on line. If it is comparable it might be your opportunity to jump.
Pricewise you mean? All over the board. Cheapest I've seen is $1000, up to $2500
Post by: furu on October 28, 2018, 02:54:32 PM
Worst case you drive 7 hours (round trip) for nothing,
best case you have found the planer that you want.
Post by: A.O. on October 28, 2018, 03:21:31 PM
Post by: Ox on October 29, 2018, 08:43:46 AM
Post by: A.O. on October 29, 2018, 08:48:07 AM
It would be mine come next day off I had, if I had the money for it. You'll like it. Heck, just about anything a step or two up from homeowner quality will be like comparing apples and oranges.
I'm just a little worried its overkill. Lots of money, takes up LOTs of room, and heavy as hell!
And how often would I really plane something 20" ? And yes I know, the day after I bought a 15 incher I'd need 20"!!
Post by: furu on October 29, 2018, 12:49:38 PM
Frequently you find that you purchase just what you need at this moment in time and that your needs grow and soon you are looking for the next size up but you hesitate because you will look foolish as you now have to figure out what to do with the one that is now too small. I subscribe to going one size up on nearly every item that I research and purchase. Even so I find myself wondering how to fix the undersizing of something I have.
In 2014 I got myself my "dream truck." I had wanted one for many years. A 2006 Dodge 3500 Ram 5.9 Cummins. The saying goes you buy the engine and the truck just comes along with it.
Thought that it would be big enough for anything I ever would haul with it.
Fast forward 15 months and I had a 21K capable trailer with a 14K forestry masticator and the weight is a bit over the Ram's limit.
Yes it handles it just fine, no issue there at all, but legally I am over the GCVWR and that could be an issue. An example of go one size larger than you think you need and maybe it will work out. If you get exactly the size you need now you may find down the road the next larger size would have been better.
Get the 20" capability planer.
If you have the room to house the unit and the $1300 is within or just a little bit over the budget for what you want then this is the right item if it functions and is in good shape. Of course make certain that you can still gets parts for the unit.
Post by: A.O. on October 29, 2018, 08:19:54 PM
It is an almost always true adage............... You can rarely go too big or too capable.
Frequently you find that you purchase just what you need at this moment in time and that your needs grow and soon you are looking for the next size up but you hesitate because you will look foolish as you now have to figure out what to do with the one that is now too small. I subscribe to going one size up on nearly every item that I research and purchase. Even so I find myself wondering how to fix the undersizing of something I have.
In 2014 I got myself my "dream truck." I had wanted one for many years. A 2006 Dodge 3500 Ram 5.9 Cummins. The saying goes you buy the engine and the truck just comes along with it.
Thought that it would be big enough for anything I ever would haul with it.
Fast forward 15 months and I had a 21K capable trailer with a 14K forestry masticator and the weight is a bit over the Ram's limit.
Yes it handles it just fine, no issue there at all, but legally I am over the GCVWR and that could be an issue. An example of go one size larger than you think you need and maybe it will work out. If you get exactly the size you need now you may find down the road the next larger size would have been better.
Get the 20" capability planer.
If you have the room to house the unit and the $1300 is within or just a little bit over the budget for what you want then this is the right item if it functions and is in good shape. Of course make certain that you can still gets parts for the unit.
Yeah, but then I may have to get a larger chip collector and...… where will it end?
Post by: Ox on October 30, 2018, 10:54:09 AM
The chips can be shoveled for now. Maybe put down a tarp and let all chips fall onto it, then pull up corners and drag it outside for disposal.
Think baby steps!
If you want it, you'll make it work, right?
Post by: A.O. on November 09, 2018, 08:14:24 AM
I took a pass on the big Delta. it just seemed to be to large and a bit overkill for what I am needing, wanting.
So I tracked down a Jet JWP160s that looks to be in good shape. Its 3+hrs away, oh well, something to do on Sunday.
It seems to be more my size, not too heavy, doesn't take up too much space, and is 3hp 220 so it should have plenty of power. It comes with a mobile base, has a couple sets of extra blades ( I need to figure out where to get them sharpened) and the blade setting gage/tool. So pretty much ready to go. I'm stoked and I hope it is as nice as advertised. I'm taking some of my wood off of my mill to test it out to show me what it will do with what I'm using.YAY!
Post by: Ox on November 09, 2018, 09:27:57 AM
Post by: A.O. on November 09, 2018, 10:12:58 AM
For sharpening, a member here, Cutting Edge, will take right good care of you, and I will bet a dollar that they will be sharp enough to be scary. Maybe give him a shout - mailing your blades to him probably won't be as bad as you think and good, sharp blades last a long, long time.
Ok, I knew he sharpened bands, didn't know he sharpened planer blades.
Post by: Ox on November 10, 2018, 08:32:57 AM
https://cesawservice.business.site/
Pretty diversified business if you ask me!
Post by: red oaks lumber on November 11, 2018, 10:02:56 AM
in regards to sharping blades, almost any machine shop that has a surface grinder has the ability to sharpen for you.
Post by: A.O. on November 11, 2018, 03:54:30 PM
Post by: drobertson on November 12, 2018, 05:00:03 AM
Post by: bandmiller2 on November 12, 2018, 06:14:46 AM
Post by: A.O. on November 12, 2018, 07:09:32 AM
Looks like you got a good one. I was going to suggest that the ones with indexable inserts on the cutting head. But this one is a good one. The price increase can make them cost prohibitive, unless you're in a higher production mode where down time and quality are affected. 16" is a good width
Yeah, this one is used so you kinda get what comes. It did come with the knife setting gauge at least, and 2 extra sets of blades. Thinking about getting a sharpener. A sharpener is $300, everyone wants .75 cents an inch to sharpen, so for 3 sets of blades, that's 144 inches of blades, would be $108 and a little more with shipping. If I sharpened them all 3 times... it just paid for itself.
I like the fact the table on this doesn't change height, the head goes up and down. If I want to build it into a bench system it will work, that's how I've had my bench planer set up for years.
And I think 16" will be fine, and its about half the weight of the 20 incher I was looking at so it will be WAY easier to move, and it came with the mobile base also.
Post by: A.O. on November 12, 2018, 07:13:16 AM
I have an old Parks 12" planer, between sharpening's, I use a small slip stone and touch up the knife edges. You just copy the angles on the knife. Frank C.
I've actually got one of those made for jointer/planer blades somewhere, I'll have to dig it up
Post by: A.O. on November 15, 2018, 12:10:42 PM
Looks like you got a good one. I was going to suggest that the ones with indexable inserts on the cutting head. But this one is a good one. The price increase can make them cost prohibitive, unless you're in a higher production mode where down time and quality are affected. 16" is a good width
Seems ok! Ran into a few problems but was able to take care of them. The guy I bought it from was most certainly not a maintenance freak to say the least! After going through and fixing a couple things and re-adjusting pretty much everything seems to work pretty well. Keeping my fingers crossed!
The blades on the machine were about as dull as the back side of a butter knife, He had one extra set that were sharp, and with the blade setting gauge were pretty simple to change out.
Post by: joasis on November 17, 2018, 05:39:26 AM
Yes boys, getting the shop cleaned up and going to start making sawdust again....even have the electric mill moved. Been playing with getting my home machine shop up and running first for a new adventure.
Post by: A.O. on November 17, 2018, 07:39:17 AM
I started on reading this, thinking about my 718 Woodmaster, and what a pita it is to set the blades on it. I wonder if they offer a spiral head with carbide blades?
Yes boys, getting the shop cleaned up and going to start making sawdust again....even have the electric mill moved. Been playing with getting my home machine shop up and running first for a new adventure.
Yep, they have them... and cheap too!
https://www.woodmastertools.com/shop/accessories/spiral-planer-heads/spiral-head-for-718-planer/
Post by: Ox on November 17, 2018, 07:55:14 AM
I have to admit - he does seem impenetrable. When at least 90% of everything said on the major news networks is negative against him - what does that suggest? It tells me that they ARE the democratic party. And as such they are desperate to do anything in their power to upset the bringing back of the old ways of running this country. I want to know how they spin a negative tune on the fact that we now have the lowest unemployment rate in at least 30 years, and that black people are now working jobs more than ever, including all of history. I don't recall reading anything about the mainstream media mentioning any of this.
It angers me. It sickens me. And the only thing I can do about it is cast a vote every now and then and wonder if it truly gets counted or not. My America is disintegrating before my eyes. And you know what? It all starts in our public school systems. They are federally funded and will do whatever it takes to continue sucking on that hind government tit.
Post by: furu on November 17, 2018, 04:21:56 PM
Yep, they have them... and cheap too!
https://www.woodmastertools.com/shop/accessories/spiral-planer-heads/spiral-head-for-718-planer/
Well I don't know about cheap but they do make them and the one on my 718 runs very well and does a very nice job I do say.
Post by: A.O. on November 18, 2018, 07:46:24 AM
Well I don't know about cheap but they do make them and the one on my 718 runs very well and does a very nice job I do say.
Yeah, I was just having a little fun with the cheap part! A HH for mine would cost more than the planer did!
Post by: furu on November 18, 2018, 12:19:42 PM
On the other hand, I suppose $1165 might be inexpensive if the next manufacturer that makes a spiral head planer charges $2000 for an 18" head. Considering the number of inserts (blades) it takes maybe it is inexpensive (cheap). It also has 122 inserts as well as the head. Good planer knives are not cheap either.
As I was typing I decided to go do a search. Came up with the following https://www.holbren.com/Byrd_Tool_B4632 (https://www.holbren.com/Byrd_Tool_B4632)
so maybe $1165 is cheap. I have no idea on quality differences but $1990 on sale for $1791 makes the $1165 much cheaper.