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Offline 4x4American

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To the Timberking Sawyers
« on: March 06, 2015, 08:25:52 PM »
What is the most amount of bdft you have produced in a day's work?
What is the average?
How about the low?

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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2015, 09:29:11 PM »
Using an LT40 Hydraulic and one helper I recall one day was just shy of 3,000 bf.  

It helped that what we were cutting was all 2x6 and 2x8 material.  

Cutting by myself I have no problem averaging 1000 bf in a hard days work. 

Low just depends on problems on the mill or my body  :laugh:
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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2015, 11:17:36 PM »
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Best day so far was 1930 bf in 8 hours (edging on the mill - clients off bearing).
Most of my mobile appointments are less than a full day but with decent logs I'll do 200 bf per hour. 
There's really no bottom end, when milling here at home I've had jobs that took as little as 10 minutes.
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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2015, 03:54:18 AM »
Cutting small cedar is slow and that's about all I do, so my figures are bad. I've cut 300-400 ft and been happy. It's all about what you do after the cut.  But also I'm getting old and not in a race.

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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2015, 06:20:52 AM »

 I did a little over 3000bf in 8 hours yesterday with good help cutting 2 x4   2x6   1"  boards cutting popular and pine.   A friend of mine with a TK2000 diesel cuts over 400 bf per hour with decent logs.  Keep the blade cutting and you'll do good.  Steve

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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2015, 03:16:08 PM »
I did a little over 3000bf in 8 hours yesterday with good help cutting 2 x4   2x6   1"  boards cutting popular and pine.   A friend of mine with a TK2000 diesel cuts over 400 bf per hour with decent logs.  Keep the blade cutting and you'll do good.  Steve


 I should add my friend with the TK 2000 did the couple of modds it needed rather than whining about it. He's 100% happy with it.   Steve

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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2015, 07:40:41 PM »
Well I'm glad for him.
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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2015, 01:05:21 AM »

With little Jo on the controls if we are not cutting 2,000 bft in 8 I am looking at why, maintenance issue, log quality, cut list, material handling, site layout ect.

When working by myself the numbers are lower then with a helper.

Get in a rhythm, set a pace that you can maintain, keep the saw in the wood, and your numbers will be good. 

You can have three helpers and still have low numbers if they are not working in sync.

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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2015, 01:56:04 AM »
I think my best day was about 2500 feet in two logs with a helper cutting 2" nominal conifer.

But production numbers are not that good of a measure unless you're cutting commodity wood, have good size logs and a good set up.  If so 2" (actual 1 1/2") or 4" (actual 3 1/2") with one or two helpers will generally give you your best production. One reason is the automatic over run of yield because of the size difference between actual and nominal.  And every cut is pretty much the same.  Production will go down if your cutting a lot of 1" or large timbers because of the additional handling effort.  Production will go down if you work alone.  

If you're making special cuts with a lot of thinking between cuts and logs, production goes down.  Nasty looking logs that are hard to cut give beautifully figured wood but not a lot of production.  My specialty is an ability to cut large logs on a customers site.  60" diameter logs are not a problem for me. I can saw or slab.  Slabbing takes twice as log and cost twice as much.

I just got done quarter sawing a bunch of black walnut.  The cut list is:  Quarter saw as many 8" wide by 2 3/8" thick as I can get, fall back to 6" if I can't get 8" and and fall back to 4" if all else fails. Fall back to 2" or less if I can't get 2 3/8" but not less than 1 1/4". No rot or punk and no heart center and very little (if any) white sap wood. I don't get a lot of production but if you get $10+ a bdf who cares?
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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2015, 08:31:28 AM »

 I should add my friend with the TK 2000 did the couple of modds it needed rather than whining about it. He's 100% happy with it.   Steve

Which mods? I tried the new improved roller guide arm, not much better. That is my major issue with my TK2000. I've sawn over 1500 bf on my best day. I'm a small two person team with quality over quantity, for now.
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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2015, 02:18:58 AM »
Is this new improved roller guide arm one that has come out in the last couple of months>  Will (preident) over at TK said they were going to do it and send it out as a replacement but 4x4 got it before he sold his TK2000 mill and said there was no difference from the original.  (at least that is what I understood him to say)
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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2015, 02:36:41 AM »
Posting under the title of the thread To the Timberking Sawyers not the original posters intent but what the heck.

Has any one else with a TK had the tach go a bit wonky? 
What I really mean is that the tach was working just fine then suddenly it only works up to 1100 rpm max.  Idle shows just about right but when I hit the solenoid throttle switch the engine goes to what sounds like full throttle but the tach rpm indicator only goes up to 1100 rpm (a 100 rpm increase).  There is a fuse in the control box that houses the tach, the start controls, glow plug relay control etc., that fuse is fine.
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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2015, 03:14:48 AM »
Which mods? I tried the new improved roller guide arm, not much better. That is my major issue with my TK2000. I've sawn over 1500 bf on my best day. I'm a small two person team with quality over quantity, for now.


  Did you set the roller guides to push the blade down at least 1/4", that is where the improvement comes from vs the factory 1/8" down pressure which does very little to control the blade.  Without the guide arm mods the guide arm was not strong enough to maintain the 1/4" down pressure.  Keep in mind all mills with roller guides  are the same with 2 big wheels and 2 guide rollers, it's just a matter of setup for how they cut. With a TK 2000 and good logs and a good helper you should be putting out 400 bf per hour in all but the hardest to saw wood, if you spend 5 minutes to decide how to make the first cut you wont make it. Keep that blade going back and forth.  Steve

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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2015, 05:48:04 AM »
Posting under the title of the thread To the Timberking Sawyers not the original posters intent but what the heck.

Has any one else with a TK had the tach go a bit wonky? 
What I really mean is that the tach was working just fine then suddenly it only works up to 1100 rpm max.  Idle shows just about right but when I hit the solenoid throttle switch the engine goes to what sounds like full throttle but the tach rpm indicator only goes up to 1100 rpm (a 100 rpm increase).  There is a fuse in the control box that houses the tach, the start controls, glow plug relay control etc., that fuse is fine.


 I don't have a tach on my diesel, I don't have it running at quite full speed maybe about 3000 RPM.  It cuts good so I don't mess with it.  What RPM is yours running when the tach was working.  Steve

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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2015, 12:39:28 PM »
Idle is right at 950 rpm. (manual states 750-850)
Full throttle is at 3050-3100 or as close as the gauge can be read (some variance depending on most likely the electric actuator extension)
Manual states max bare speed rpm is 2950.

Interestingly today the rpm gauge works normal. 
I swear I have gremlins with this mill at time. 
The log stops that suddenly stop working then start up again for no reason that I or Jimmy at TK can figure out.

If the gauge is offset 100 rpm high then the 950 would be the idle 850 spec and the 3050-3100 would be at or a little above max rpm spec 2950.
Probably should get an independent reading to make certain the engine is not over revving at the top end.
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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2015, 12:20:31 PM »


 I might try unhooking a hose at the hyd log stop motor and flushing out a gallon of oil, could be a piece of Teflon tape or something making the valve stick.  With the limited travel of the stops and long hoses  it's most likely running the same oil back and forth.   Steve

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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2015, 04:03:22 PM »
Is this new improved roller guide arm one that has come out in the last couple of months>  Will (preident) over at TK said they were going to do it and send it out as a replacement but 4x4 got it before he sold his TK2000 mill and said there was no difference from the original.  (at least that is what I understood him to say)

 The fact is that every mill that has 2 19" wheels and 2 roller guides set up the same will saw the same regardless what brand they are no matter what some say, sawing straight is about how they are set up and what blade you are running.   I'm on a big white pine log job where me and the best off bearer ever saw 500bf per hour 1" thick random width day after day. Steve

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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2015, 08:08:34 AM »
Is this new improved roller guide arm one that has come out in the last couple of months>  Will (preident) over at TK said they were going to do it and send it out as a replacement but 4x4 got it before he sold his TK2000 mill and said there was no difference from the original.  (at least that is what I understood him to say)

That's right, I think that the shipping department messed up, because there was absolutely no difference in the one they sent from the one that was already on the mill.
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Re: To the Timberking Sawyers
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2015, 12:15:38 PM »
 
 The Tk 2000 didn't need a new movable guide arm it needs support above the arm which is a easy fix. .  Steve