carbon credits

[Frank Pender - AKA "Tail Gunner"]

Well, I am off to a three day conference I was invited to attend, by the "Cow College", to discuss and learn about carbon credits for forest land owners in Oregon and across the country.  I understand that there is such a program in some European countries.  Perhaps I will become better informed in three days about both locations. 

[mike p]

I have been interested but gun shy to be locked down by the long term contracts & for a gov program to tell me how to manage my trees
but im gov parinoid
LEARN A BUNCH SO WE can get your educatemecated opion

[Kirk Allen]

We could sell our carbon credits on our no till land but have not done so yet. 

To me its nothing more than a paper shuffle that does nothing to truly reduce emissions.

[Frank Pender - AKA "Tail Gunner"]

Wel, Mike and Kirk, after 4 days of indense workshop presentations with a very diverse group of folks, I am about ready to agree with the both of you.  This is only the first of several that will be taking place and there is much fall out to deal with in the whole process.  We dis learn how to determin the volume of tonage per per a specific plot and all, both old growth Douglas Fir/ Hemlock stand and a 40 year old plantation site.   In both sites we learned to include the large and fallen materials all the way to the duff, being measured for carbon deteriation.  Some of the logs I measured in one old growth plot measured well of 4' in diameter and very, very l o n g.

The way the measureing works is that any fallen of standing dead material is counted against the standing live masterial.

[mike p]

i never understood how that being sequestered by a corp. helped the air quality

& how much control of my timber would i be loseing to gov.

[Kirk Allen]

It doesnt help the air quality.  What is happening, thanks to the Keoto treaty or what ever its called, a company who has hit their limit of emissions can buy carbon credits from me, you, etc, and now with those credits they can emit more into the air. 

Makes no sense at all.  Just because I sold the carbon credits on my ground, the stuff is still lying on the ground and doing nothing to change anything related to the emissions. 

The owner of the Weather Channel was suing Al Gore for financial fraud over the carbon credit issues becuase he knows good and well that selling them doesn nothing to change emissions. 

[Frank Pender - AKA "Tail Gunner"]

I am with you on the not helping idea, for sure, Kirk.  Much of this is just getting a start, out here on the Left Coast.  As to the value of the trees, much is to be seen, or absorbed.