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Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« on: January 25, 2008, 09:33:17 AM »
Looks like next week we will be getting our sawdust burner.  We have our heat exchanger installed, hot water exchanger installed and the only thing left is to trench our water line in and with the weather scheduled to hit the mid to upper 40's on Mon.-Wed it appears we can get that done in much warmer weather.  ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 03:32:55 PM »
Spent a couple hours digging the trench in the crawlspace for the water lines.  Definatly something I dont want to do again.  Got down 3 feet below the footer and about 4 feet inside the crawl space.  I will post pics of our installation next week when we are on the new server.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2008, 09:49:32 PM »
Made the outside trench connection today.  Should have the trencher in the morning to finish getting the lines trenched in.

I plan on putting in a water line to the shop in the same trench and a outside water spicket near the chicken coop.  Along with the water lines I will also lay a cat 5 cable from the house to the new shop so my phone lines will be a peice of cake to hook up.  About the only thing not going to get trenched in this go round is the electrical.

Plan on puting in 3 phase this spring and that will have to be trenched from another direction. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2008, 08:13:21 AM »
Make sure you insolate the pipes really well to cut down on heat loss.  I have had some folks in this mild region not take the time to do that and the heat loss alone made the whole project virtually worthless, due to the amount of wood they had to burn to even get a trickle of heat.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2008, 12:12:23 PM »
The lines I am laying are already sealed in a 6" insulated pipe! 
« Last Edit: January 28, 2008, 03:45:39 PM by KEA »
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2008, 03:47:13 PM »
Got my two water lines, data cables, phone lines and primary boiler line trenched in and backfilled this morning! Now we just need the burner! 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2008, 06:52:03 PM »
How deep are you going with your ditch?

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2008, 07:30:32 PM »
My lines are 3 1/2 feet deep.  We had to cut through a foot of frozen top soil.  Pretty amazing to see the earth move 10 feet away while pulling up frozen chunks with the back hoe.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2008, 02:45:21 PM »
I'm very curious to see your and Kirk's reviews on these units.  I'm in the design phase of blueprinting a new mill.  I'm thinking the newer addition will be closed in and insulated for storage for the kiln dried lumber and bartops.  It would be great to heat that with sawdust!

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2008, 02:47:33 PM »
Ok, I'm an idiot.  KEA is Kirk.... Duh

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2008, 02:54:03 PM »
No problem JP.  KEA- Kirk E. Allen! :) 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2008, 02:56:42 PM »
Thanks for the pointer e-mail on the new site.  I was bummed when the old one went down, even if it's small for now it's a great place to bounce ideas and associate with other wood nuts like myself. 

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 03:03:57 PM »
I could tell it was kirk by the old buzzard on the signature line....46 is old .

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2008, 03:04:54 PM »
Hey what happened to my other 1999 posts????? :o ;D

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2008, 03:06:05 PM »
Now if that isnt the pot calling the kettle black :)  Glad you could join us Buzz. 

You going to get hit with any of this snow tonight?  They are calling for 10" here and its snowing like mad right now.
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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2008, 03:09:35 PM »
How's that Don ? :)
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2008, 03:26:04 PM »
We allready have about an inch and ....its a comming your way!!

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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2008, 03:29:25 PM »
Gee GLOBAL ol timer.......its amazing what 2000 posts gets ya here

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2008, 03:32:36 PM »
It started in the Crawl Space.  Had to get three feet down and be at least 5 feet from the wall.  



Then, if the math worked out right I join tunnels on the outside ;D 



As you can see, progress was swift and ..........messy  :D  My wifes yard needs an overhaul  ;D


The local hired hand.  One of the best workers you can find in these parts!


Almost finished with the trench!
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2008, 03:48:16 PM »
Back Hoe operator.  Had the choice to rent the hoe for $45hr and I operate it, or $60hr and they operate it. Best $120 I ever spent for two hours of work.  This guy is the son of our road commissioner and can he ever run a back hoe!



Now for laying the main boiler line, two seperate water lines, one for the shop and one for the spicket, a data cable for the Biomizer, and another Cat5 cable to the shop (not built yet but lines are in!)



Now for the back fill.  The gravel slab area in the background is the location of me new shop. 




You can now see the new water spicket we put in just for my wife.  Dragging the hose all around from the house to water the birds was just getting old.


Back Fill complete!  Stay tuned for more updates as progress is made!
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2008, 01:54:09 PM »
Did your unit arrive?

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2008, 07:20:41 PM »
They said I could pick it up Friday, but looks like I will be in Chicago on Friday :(
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2008, 10:17:49 PM »
Today was the Heat Exchanger install!  Took a total of 20 minutes.................with the assistance of the best sheet metal man in these parts.  I give him fire wood, which is his sole source of heat in his home and when I need anything metal related he takes care of me.  ;D

This is the first cut into the plenum of the furnace. 


The heat exchanger installed.  We built a shelf for it to sit on and all we had to do was just slide the heat exchanger in. 


Les, the metal wizard, built a stainless steel cover for the exchanger and here he is fitting it in place.



Once all the trimming was done the final product was awesome! 



Now its just a matter of installing the PEX lines to the exchanger! 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2008, 02:13:22 AM »
Cool looking job, Kirk.  Pun intended,

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« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2008, 06:12:11 PM »
Looking good!You are going to love your heating bills....and the improved quality of heat...when you get a few radiators up....but I suspect you will get decent convection flow from the exchanger as it stays hot continuosly.....

....ever consider using a newer variable speed squirrel cage??, set it on low it can run for longer periods and virtually sillent ....and eliminatingdrafts.... ;)

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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2008, 07:01:33 PM »
I finished wireing the thermostat to the furnace fan today.  That was a peice of history exposed  :D  I traced the current thermostats wiring from the furnace to hole in the floor.  At first it looked like the drilled two tiny holes and stuck the wires through.  Figured there was no way I could fit any more wires through.  Then with the flashlight the truth was exposed.  :D   Gramps plugged the hole with a corn cob :D :D 

Pulled out the cob and was able to fish the new wire up and next to the old thermostat.  Tested it and all works great! 

Also finished with the water heat exchanger.  I built in a by pass in the event I want to isolate the water heater and I can also fill my boiler system with it.   


Notice I did not call the water heat exchanger a "hot" water heat excanger.  I got corrected this morning talking with one of the old farts at  the coffee shop and he quickly informed me there is no such thing as a hot water heater.  There are "water heaters" not Hot water heaters.  I guess when you think about it that old fart did share some wisdom.   ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2008, 07:06:01 PM »
Forgot to mention.  Looks like Friday is the Biomizer Install day ;D  Everything is ready to go so hopfully we will be making heat quickly! 
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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2008, 09:24:48 AM »
So, I forgot to ask what you decided about the warranty?
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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2008, 05:53:29 PM »
Looks like the Biomizer install is scheduled for Friday (tomarrow) at noon!   

Sounds like they have had some issues with folks not screening their material and caused some problems.  With so few in the field it became evident that you cant warranty stupid ;D  Some folks just dont get it. 

Because of that they have modified the warranty to not cover stuipd abuse.  :D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #29 on: February 29, 2008, 02:18:59 PM »
Kirk- What was the issue with screening?.  Too big of sawdust particles?

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« Reply #30 on: February 29, 2008, 04:50:52 PM »
I guess they had some issues with long strands of wood binding up the auger. 

They took one look at my fuel today and smiled ;D  GOOD dry stuff! 

We managed to get the unit in place, filled with water and fired off in about an hour or so.  There is a minor issue with an access panel to the combustion chamber but I told them I can fix that this weekend. They were going to bring a new one out next week but no sense in that.  I can modify it in the shop in a couple minutes.  The top part of the panel is to long so it doesnt seel real well. 

Anyone have any suggestions on the cheapest place to get anti-freeze?  Need about 40 gallons of the stuff before I can start using it. 

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« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2008, 06:38:01 PM »
Maybe trucker related or tractor....farm related by the barrel???

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« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2008, 07:56:57 PM »
The beginning of the muddy install :o  It hit 45 F here today and turned everything into a soup bowl. Just standing in the grass caused you to sink in several inches making the install a dirty day, but they Got-R-Done!

This is the control screen for the burner.  Once they give me the IP address for the unit will be able to pull up this screen on my PC in the office and operate it from there.  Its a touch screen control and very user freindly.  I just hope it lasts.


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« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2008, 09:28:29 PM »
Well done, Kirk.  Now all you have to do is maintain prsoduction of sawdust.  How many gallons of sawdust does that unit hold.  Looks like about fifty.
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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2008, 07:47:23 AM »
I would guess the same.  They said it would provide about 18 hrs of run time and maybe more or less depending on heat demand and fuel moisture.  The dryer the better.  They said it will burn 35% Moisture sawdust or less.  My stuff is in the 6-13% range so it should rock! 
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« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2008, 09:56:27 PM »
I mixed up about 100 lbs of dried sawdust with the ground rice husk I have on hand.  Ended up with about 160lbs of mix and the moisture count was 7% on what i checked. 

As soon as we get a couple bugs worked out I will be able to start getting some heat out of the unit. 
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« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2008, 10:01:23 PM »
What kind of bugs are you talking about.  I have a can of Raid, if you need it, or a bug zapper might work better.

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« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2008, 10:08:55 PM »
 ;D  I wish that was all it was.

Looks like a water temp censor is not working and we have hot gas's/smoke coming out from a bad weld on the combustion chamber and a missing O-Ring on the pump outlet. 

I put in an O-ring that will work but have to wait for WM to let me know the fix on the water temp sensor and the weld issue. 
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« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2008, 08:47:59 AM »
You're a good man to help WM works the kinks in this thing Kirk.  It's going to be a HUGE boon to all of us that run sawmills/wood shops.  The savings on heating oil will pay for one of those units in no time.  I have a long range plan to re-built the sawmill building with a big storage attachment.  I think that little baby will be the cat's meow. 

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« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2008, 02:26:06 PM »
Well I spent several hours in the rain this morning and got a few bugs worked out on the burner.  Minor growing pains is what I will call them ;D

The unit has been heating my house and hot water for the last 3-4 hours and it looks promising! 

Buzz, your are right on about the difference in the heat from the heat exhanger versus the propane furnace.  Cant put my finger on it but I want to say there is more moisture still in the air with the boiler unit. I say that because my wife has not "shocked" me when she walks by and touches me ;D  I like less static electricity.  :D

Combustion chamber is rocking at 1400 degrees and the water in the unit is 180F, as is the water in my water heater in the basement.  With it so hot from the boiler i wont have to worry about an electric bill to heat the water :) 
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« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2008, 02:42:03 PM »
I think gasputs out about EIGHT HNDRED DEG and yours now is one fifty ish sooooo maybe not cooking all the moisture out>>>>does it cycle the same>did youconsider my suggestions onanti freeze or squirrel cage?

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« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2008, 03:23:41 PM »
Been keeping my eye out for a squirrrel cage fan.  Right now the furnace fan kicks on about every 15-20 mintues for about 3 minutes then shuts off. Seems to be running less than when the propane furnace ran but not sure. 

Still looking for the antifreeze.  Need to go to town and do some shopping. 
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« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2008, 04:05:15 PM »
On the statice electricity, we seem to have more that Alice likes in the house and she then runs the humidifier.  I always get a lot of static (electircity, etc.) from her, no matter what. ;D ;D

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« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2008, 04:37:28 PM »
Carefull Frank, she may read this and give you a shock.  :D
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« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2008, 05:42:02 PM »
Send me Frank's number and I will call Alice and have a chat with her.... :laugh:
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« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2008, 11:19:41 PM »
I filled the hopper at 4:30 pm with a mix of creasote sawdust and ground rice husk.  It has burned about 1/4 of the hopper as of 11:30pm. If that average works out the hopper will last about 28 hours which is awesome in my opinion considering they thought I would get about 18 hours out of it. 

The ash auger still has not pushed out the sand that is in the base of the unit upon deliver.  It will be interesting to see how much ash there is going to be.  So far none showing in the auger.  Thats pretty efficiant burning if you ask me. 

WM is coming out in the Morning to take care of a few things. I will keep you posted how things go.   
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« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2008, 09:05:03 AM »
How large of a fan are you looking for?  I have a couple around here, along with a Parker.

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« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2008, 09:31:54 AM »
I would have to measure the plenum. What Buzz had suggested was using that fan on a low speed and it could run almost continuous without the noise of the furnace blast fan. 
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« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2008, 09:35:24 AM »
Good morning, KEA ! I thought I'd check out this site & compare notes & info. Still waiting for our UNIT to be delivered. Hope things are progressing well at your site. I'll watch 4 E-mails on your progress.--- later.

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« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2008, 12:39:55 PM »
Welcome to the site Seppi.  It was good talking with you on the phone and I too look forward to success with the Biomizer.

First day was rough.  Used up 10lbs of propane and new something was not right.  Turns out the ceramic temp probe was wired backwards and the unit kept calling for propane.  Boyed, with WM came out yesterday and put a new probe in and had the same problem.  Swapped the wires and presto, ceramic temp came up like it should on the display.

We swapped out a fan that was intermittent and found a ceramic shield for the combustion chamber temp probe in the bottom of the combustion chamber.  He suspects that during delivery or set up that it broke.  Ceramic is delicate. They are going to ship me a new one to fix that but the probe still works.

I backed off the feed rate on the auger a little and brought my water temps down as I am only heating the house right now.  I ended up using 1/3 of the fuel I used the day before and cant even notice any propane use.  The cermic probe fixed the propane use issue. 

This morning I had about a cup of Ash in the ash bucket.  That part is pretty amazing.  It truly burns up everything.

House is warm, water heater is piping hot even though I shut it off. I didnt think the hot water heat exhanger was going to work near as well as it does.  Hats off to Central Boiler on that one! 

Another benefit is our Kitchen floow is now warm!  The PEX lines are directly under the Kitchen and they give off enough radiant heat to make a difference.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2008, 08:37:41 PM »
Everything seems to be going very well with the unit.   :)

I have made a few feed adjustments based on combustion temp for the fuel mix I have right now.  4 bags of sawdust (biomizer bags) to 40lbs of rice husk and with the feed rate on 28, air on 55 I am sustaining combustion temps in the 1400-1500 range, which I consider even that to be high for the limited demand on the unit.  Right now it is heating my house, and hot water.  I also lowered the water temps and last night with the upper limit at 180 and the lower limit at 165 we had no problem heating our home. 

Made another adjustment this afternoon and the fuel auger is now at 26 and I still have combustion temps in reading 1400F.  I will leave it at that and see how it does in the morning.  I suspect I am going to be able to fine tune things to a point where the hopper of fuel will last a couple days if I am lucky ;D

As expected, the rice husk does contribute to clinkers in the combustion chamber but so far the stir option and the ash auger has taken care of that.  This morning I tried a bag of rice husk by itself to see how it would do and the combustion temps were in the 1600 range and noticeable fly ash.  I added some sawdust to it and the temps came down to the 1500 range and I do not see any more fly ash. 

Late this afternoon before filling the hopper I tried some more rice husk by itself and reduced the fuel auger speed to 20 and I still hit a sustained 1300 degree combustion temp. 

I really like all the options that are on this unit so that you can fine tune it to the application. 
Based on what I have seen so far, I am confident I am going to be able to heat my shop, garage, and my house with no problem. 

Temps last night were 8 degrees here with heavy winds and I did not have to use any propane from my normal furnace as the biomizer handled it with a breeze and that was with settings backed way off.  :o

With the factory settings I used one hopper full in about 17 hours.   After my adjustments the same hopper load went 24 hours and the house and hot water are still perfect.  The only difference in fuel during those two cycles was the first one was straight sawdust (Kiln dried walnut) and the second was hickory sawdust from the mill mixed with the rice husk.

I cant wait to see where the hopper is in the morning as I have backed the fuel auger way off from what it was originaly. 

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2008, 10:13:29 PM »
You are going to get spoiled, using that unit.  ;D When are you going to hook up you kiln to the system?

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2008, 08:18:47 AM »
 :o :o :o  Checked the hopper this morning and I only used about 1/4 of the hopper, which by the way  Frank is a 100 gallon hopper according to WM. 

I lowered the boiler temps again and reduced the feed rates by a couple numbers and suspect I have more room to come down. 

I think I am already spoiled.  I havent used my propane furnce in 6 days so I am already saving money.  I cant wait to see my electric bill as the water heater is electric and with it shut off I suspect that will be a $50-$70 savings a month...........I hope  ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2008, 08:35:24 AM »
How about hooking up the kiln?

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2008, 08:37:44 AM »
That will happen this spring!
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2008, 08:43:46 AM »
Awesome Kirk, great news updates - Greatly appreciated. 

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #56 on: March 06, 2008, 10:58:37 AM »
I like projects like this....
 in particular the control variables you have at your disposal to truly fine tune efficiency
....all from your pc right?

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2008, 11:00:55 AM »
Kirk youmight try your local HVAC guy...I bet he could hook you up with a nice used 3 speed for 20 bucks or so???

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2008, 11:03:27 AM »
Still waiting on the PC control :(  The tech that was supposed to send me instruction either left the company Tuesday or was let go and they dont have anyone yet that can walk me through the process. 

They gave me the IP for the unit but nothing seems to work to be able to see the controls so for now I am still going out to the unit and making the adjustments at the main controls. 

I hope they choose to keep the computer options because what I had heard those options were going to be on the test units but not the final versions.  If they set up the final versions for set numbers it definatly decreases operability.  I am burning about 65% less fuel now than the standard settings they had when it was delivered.  Without the ability to change those factors I would be eating sawdust far faster than I create it.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2008, 11:27:35 AM »
Good morning, it's a cold snap up here for a couple of days...again. a -15* this am & forcasted to a -28* tonite. + wind chill. Thanks for all the updates, Kirk. My 2 projects 4 today are.... hauling & cutting firewood slabs & screening dust. Trying to stay un-frozen!! --- later.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #60 on: March 07, 2008, 10:33:43 AM »
One thing is for sure, this unit has the cabability to Rock some heat out!  I have several things turned way down and the house is cozy as can be with "lots" of room to spare.

Having an ash auger issue as it appears to not be taking any out unless I manually select it.  Not sure whats up with that but I have a call in to WM and am waiting to here back.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #61 on: March 07, 2008, 10:47:20 AM »
Good day Kirk! A -25* this AM. Good pics. of your install. I am getting all the piping etc, figured out from this . I like the NO-ASH!! Keep in touch --- later.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #62 on: March 07, 2008, 01:11:03 PM »
I wouldn't say No Ash, but very, very little.

I have my auger feed rate down to 21 now and the blower on 50 and I am still managing combustion temps in the 1200 range with no problem.  Got the boiler turned down to 170F on the high end and 158 on the low end and so far so good! 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2008, 09:42:38 PM »
Well I have turned down the feed auger to 15 and the blower to 35 and she is still maintaining 12-1300 degree temps and sometimes spiking to 1400.  What I have noticed today though is the ceramic temp is 900-1000 so I assume with it all warmed up the combustion temps peak pretty quick with less fuel.  Not sure but thats the only logical explanation I can come up with. 

House is cozy!  ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2008, 05:43:16 PM »
Biomizer was down for a few days :( 

The main fuel feed auger broke and I was waiting on a new one to fix it.  They had used a threaded rod on the end and welded it to the spiral portion of the auger and then welded the other end of it to the main auger shaft.  That little all thread piece gave way. 

Got the new auger in today and installed it along with a new ceramic sheild for the temp probe. 

Hopper filled up and heating things quite nicely! 

It worked out OK since i had to be at my parents yesterday.  I was planning on shutting the unit down anyway for a couple days. 

Did manage to bring back another 2000 lbs of dry fuel for the Biomizer!
That should take care of my needs for the rest of this spring pending any nasty Alberta Clippers. ;D

I got a call from our local lumber yard and they have a truss plant who has several truck loads of kiln dried sawdust ready for pickup.  I am going to work on getting that this week or next and stock up for the next heating season.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #65 on: March 12, 2008, 07:56:27 AM »
Glad your system is back in operation!! We have temps in the mid 30's today ,with shower&sleet on the way.---- later.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2008, 04:15:41 PM »
One thing that does not work well is super fine sawdust from the dust collector.  Its so fine that the sawdust bridges in the hopper. 

I am going to build a fix for it though and with any luck it will work.  Photos of the modification to come shortly ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2008, 08:22:13 PM »
Hey, Kirk, you are making the pig squeeelllll for sure with such talk. ;D

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2008, 07:54:07 AM »
Good A.M. to you. WM E-mailed me on 3-14 & stated the unit was to be shipped out to me on 3-15 (fed ex). It's -2* this AM but will reach the mid 30"s most of the week. I'll keep u informed. 

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2008, 08:27:18 AM »
We are down again as of yesterday.  It appears a part from above the combustion chamber has fallen into the combustion section.  Found it when checking the ash build up.  Waiting on WM to figure out what it is and how to fix it. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2008, 10:31:44 AM »
It sounds a bit strange that such an important part of the whole process shoud just fall apart.  Either something was not attatched correctly or poorly.  The combustion chamer should be one very solid system, it would seem.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #71 on: March 16, 2008, 11:41:04 AM »
I think the part is from above the combustion chamber.  It looks like a piece of duct work for the flue but not sure.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2008, 07:43:14 PM »
KEA, SORRY to here of the new x*&%<::+ problems. Fed- Ex will be at my site tomorrow PM to deliver. We are in a snow storm now with an expected 3-8 " thru tomorrow. More fun & games in the SLOP!!  I will keep u posted , please do the same.--- later.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #73 on: March 18, 2008, 03:13:30 AM »
I do not envy you Seppi.  We are having the same here, in the from of rain, :'( for the next several days

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #74 on: March 18, 2008, 09:15:27 AM »
WM called this morning and they are coming out to fix it Thursday of this week.  I think everyone is baffled, as I am, as to how this part could have fallen into the combustion section. They said they have never had this problem so I guess the testing phase is working.  We are here to identify problems so that the production models have top notch!
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #75 on: March 19, 2008, 07:53:38 AM »
Well,..... it has finally been delivered! Fed-Ex got here about 1:30 yesterday. After an hour delay for pulling him out of the ditch,( the front right wheel slid into a culvert ditch trying to make a 90* corner). All said & done, we unloaded the 3 pallets &" crushed" stove pipe, signed damage papers, & sent him on his way. After un-packaging the pallets & putting the burner pieces together & standing the hopper upright, we realized the unit is TALLER than the print measurments. It barely  fit thru the opening of the covered shed.----- WHEW!!! I will be calling WM today as instructed.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #76 on: March 19, 2008, 08:09:59 AM »
Must be something with delivery drivers and ditches.   :D

WM is suppose to be at my place tomarrow to figure out a fix.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #77 on: March 19, 2008, 09:14:03 AM »
I had a Fed x truck in here yesterday, delivering some Logrite peavys and he did not get stuck.  It must be a regional thing. ::)

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #78 on: March 19, 2008, 09:28:15 AM »
Around here today you will need a life vest.   :(

It has not stopped raining for close to 48 hours and everthing is a lake.  South of St. Louis has gotten 12 inches and its still raining and coming our way.  I believe they even had 4 deaths today from the flooding. 

Glad the Biomizer is on high ground ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #79 on: March 19, 2008, 09:35:28 AM »
I got some gread sawing in, yesterday.  A friend brought in a 24" English Walnut.  There was only about 10" of dark heart, but lots of figure throughout the log.  Shirt sleeve weather throughout the day;not what was expected.  ;D

Are you getting any heat out of the unit, in its present condition.  What have you got for backup, electricity?

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2008, 09:39:47 AM »
No heat since Saturday.  I may put in a generator this summer for back up but was hoping WM would finish the Co-Gen portion of the Biomizer.  They have said its a top priority after they get the industrial burner up and going. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #81 on: March 22, 2008, 09:12:47 AM »
Still no fix.   :(

They are having issues with the large unit in KY and spent a couple days working on that one and looks like it will be Monday now before they make it out my way. 

Looks like we are going to have to remove the water lines again.  If there is 1 tool I am glad I purchased it is the spring clamp tool for the PEX lines.  I picked it up from my central boiler rep for $65.00 and it works like a champ.  I could have barrowed the tool but just dont feel right barrowing tools that I know I am going to need for future projects. 

On the plus side, our fuel requirements should never run short.  With what we produce (to date more than enough) and the second truss plant donation we are going to be in "High Sawdust".   One of the truss plants that already said we could have all the sawdust they produce appearently spoke with another one and they too said its ours for free.  The best part is it looks like they "may" truck it in for me as doing that is still cheaper than what they were doing, which was paying to have it dumped. 

I am going to convert the east end of my corn crip into a sawdust storage.  With all the air circulation it should work out quite well. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #82 on: March 22, 2008, 09:39:56 AM »
Removing the water lines makes no sense, unless you have to have more water volumn.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #83 on: March 22, 2008, 09:41:57 AM »
The water lines that connect to the boiler have to be disconected because the boiler has to be lifted off the combustion chamber to figure out what happen. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #84 on: March 22, 2008, 09:46:21 AM »
That sounds a bit of a hassel to have to remove them to pick off to get to the combustion chamber.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #85 on: March 22, 2008, 09:52:48 AM »
The boiler sits on top of the Combustion chamber and the only access is either from the top (remove the boiler) or from a small ash access door and that wont work for this. 

There are quite a few things from a manufactureing point I would have done different and maybe with our input those changes will be part of the final product. 

I know the access panels could be much simpler by just using shelf lock tabs or piano hinges instead of a bunch of screws with sliding nut plates attached to the panel it ties into it. 

I am working on a mod for the hopper to prevent bridging.  On more than one ocasion the fuel bridges and while the bottom gets used up, there is a void created with lots of fuel still up high.  The padel stir they have for the fuel works great and I think they just need another one just like it about half way up the bin. 

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #86 on: March 22, 2008, 05:49:42 PM »
Perhaps a wire whip attached to the lower paddle would work.
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« Reply #87 on: March 22, 2008, 07:17:13 PM »
I was planning on an extension with a broken saw blade attached to it.  A wire whip would work as well...............................now what is a wire whip again? 

Isnt that they thing my wife uses to whip up eggs for an omlet?  ;D
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« Reply #88 on: March 22, 2008, 09:26:16 PM »
Make the whip device in an oval pattern, similar to the spud whip idea, but using only two wires or blade parts.

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« Reply #89 on: March 23, 2008, 08:42:44 PM »
Happy Easter to all !! Kirk, were you able to put unions on both lines off the tank pipings??? OR... I am installing flex SS line sections on each run instead. No need to re-do pex connects when re-assembling. Will talk later as info appears.

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« Reply #90 on: March 24, 2008, 07:59:03 AM »
I have the PEX union coming out of the pipe connections.  This summer I will modify it to make it user freindly as taking the pex lines off is a real pain. 
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« Reply #91 on: March 24, 2008, 08:22:25 AM »
I hope that WM is watching close and taking notes from you.  They are getting some great info on working out the kinks!

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« Reply #92 on: March 24, 2008, 08:37:01 AM »
They are supposed to be here this morning to get things going.  Cant wait becuase each time I hear the furnace kick on it makes me sick knowing I cold be heating my place for pennies instead of dollars :o
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« Reply #93 on: March 24, 2008, 11:33:37 AM »
Looks like this afternoon now for the fix. 

Here is a pic of the end of the auger part that broke.
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« Reply #94 on: March 24, 2008, 02:59:03 PM »
It looks like to me that, that piece coming around should all be molded in one piece, rather than making two welds on an allthread which is weak from the beginning.  But, I am no engineer.

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« Reply #95 on: March 24, 2008, 06:14:44 PM »
My suggestion is to bring the outer ring around another full loop and secure itself to the center of the rod end with a bolt. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #96 on: March 24, 2008, 06:35:28 PM »
Seth and Brent from Wood Mizer came out this afternoon to take care of the Biomizer issues. 

First step was to disconect everything from the boiler so we could lift it up. That took all of 10 minutes.  Thank you to Jim and the use of his JD 4020. 


Then after confirming it was in fact what they call the "wok" in the combustion chamber we stood around for several minutes scratching our heads how it fell in, since getting it out took some pressure to get it past the ceramics.

Not the best shot but you can see the WOK installed. It just sits on the ceramic insulation. 


This is the bottom of the boiler.  The small probe on the left is the combustion temp probe.  Turns out the ceramic sheild on this was broken again.  They suspect from removing the boiler.


This is Bret, the computer tech with WM working on the programing.  He just got involved with the team but I have to take my hat off to him for effort.  Still several "minor" bugs to work out to get things working the way they want but he did a bang up job for just stepping into it. 


Now words wont explain the laughter Seth and I got out of this but Bret is sitting next to the access panel for the combustion chamber (temporarily removed) and while he was working from his shaded office we started hooking things up.  Well the first thing we hooked up was the blower motor and wouldnt you know it, it came on, in HIGH speed :D   Blew ash all over his makeshift tent.  Boy are we glad he had that laptop protected when that happen.   :D


And the best part of the whole day, outside of getting the unit up and running again, I can manage everything from my office now ;D
This is the pic of my computer screen. 


As Bret worked through lots of programing issues we had to tease him each time we got a new problem.   My ash auger problem is being worked out but at one point it wouldnt turn off.  "Bret, I didnt  have that problem before you got here"  :D ;)

Then we got a fuel auger failure warning.   "Bret, I didnt  have that problem before you got here"  :D ;)

Wood Mizer, my hats off to you for the caliber of people you hire!  Seth and Bret are clearly assets to the WM team and it was a pleasure to work with them. 

Cant forget Boyd either.  Although he was not on this trip he was out the last two times and he too is a fine lad to work with. 
 
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« Reply #97 on: March 24, 2008, 08:19:38 PM »
Current fuel is a mix of rice husk and red oak.  Auger set to 20 and air set to 40.  Combustion temps maintaining 1275-1350 F. 

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« Reply #98 on: March 24, 2008, 10:18:38 PM »
I thought it heats. Does it heat with rocks? :D :D :D :D ;D :angel:

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« Reply #99 on: March 25, 2008, 08:05:17 AM »
Thanks for the PICS, Kirk! they cleared up a couple of ?? that I had . Congrats on your success!--- later.

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« Reply #100 on: March 25, 2008, 11:36:44 AM »
Great pics and feedback kirk , keep it coming.  I hand it to WM, they've always been great to work with on the very few bugs in my sawmill.  The service tech that makes the nationwide run once a year is a great service, I wonder if they are considering doing something similar with the boilers?

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« Reply #101 on: March 25, 2008, 12:12:55 PM »
Right now there focus is going to be on the Industrial boiler.  1 Million BTU  :o  Once they get all the bugs worked out on they they will shift to the co-generation side of things. 

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« Reply #102 on: March 27, 2008, 07:37:08 AM »
So how are things going with your burner Seppi?  Got it up and running yet?

WM is suppose to be back out today to fix the programing issues on the ash stir and ash aguer.  Hope this rain slows down.  :(
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« Reply #103 on: March 27, 2008, 07:41:39 AM »
It's chilly here this AM. 2*F--- Kirk, is it true that your unit went down again after WM was there?? I talked with Boyd about ??? I had & got good answers. He said that the wok was a problem again. I have been busy with orders & have not been able to finish the hook-ups. Will be progressing ASAP.---- Later.  SORRY Kirk, I just read my E mail & was informed of your situation.
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« Reply #104 on: March 27, 2008, 08:41:54 AM »
Long story, but yes we are down again.  Turns out during the efforts to get the ash auger working automatically the ash stir quit working. 

Not knowing this we fired the unit back up and all "appeared" good.  I select the ash auger "manual" button for 20 seconds an hour to remove the ash, but since it was not stirring the ash keeping it flat on the bottom of the combustion chamber it built up like a snow drift all around the edges.  What I suspect happen is once the ash built up around the edges, almost like a ramp, the air flow direction was significantly changed and I think it caused the wok to cock to one side, thus drastically changing the performance.  It appears that once it cocked to one side the fuel burn and/or propane was cooking the side of it and I suspect that warped it enough to fall, although this time I caught it before it fell. 

Realize this is speculation but after years of jet propulsion work and understanding combustion dynamics and air flow I would bet dinner this is what happen.

When the ash built up on the edges, again almost like a ramp, it blocked the fuel port enough that the fan packed more sawdust/rice mix into the feed hole causing it to eventually stop running.  Problem with that is even though its not getting sawdust the propane kicks on and tries to assist and at the same time the fuel auger is turning trying to give it the fuel its calling for and since the hole is blocked, it packs it in tighter than freshly kiln cooked bricks.  It packed it in so hard that it broke the weld on the auger and torqued the auger like you wouldn't believe. 

When I told Seth about the auger I said, "you wont believe what this auger looks like".  He responded with basically an assurance that he has seen several lunched augers. 

Looking at everything that has happen with my unit I suspect the bottom line contributor started with the ash auger not working at all in automatic. The first problems were solved to a degree when I started manually removing the ash.  The problem was lack of experience with the unit to know how long to run the ash auger in manual to prevent the ash build up that I believe led to the wok issues.  I think it just built up to the point it changed the air flow and when that happen, I am betting the significant jet blast created from the burn is what effected the wok.  Point being, keep very little ash in the bottom. 

I am confident that once the ash auger and stir are working the way they are suppose to, and a good ash auger setting is determined for what ever fuel your burning all will be good.  Seth suggested not bunring any of the rice hulls as he thought that may be a contributing factor because of their high ash content.  I believe that if the ash is the problem then the fix is having the ash auger and stir work they way they were designed, which looks like today will be fixed.  That and considering the initial problems accured with sawdust I dont think the type of fuel is the problem.  Regardless, I will cease using the rice hulls once this hopper is done and go straight to sawdust and see what happens. 

Having brought a prodcut through development, R&D, manufacturing, distribution and eventually to international sales I can say these bumps are minor and to be expected.  Thats why they called us testers. ;D  They want feedback and I will do my best to provide it based on my experience. 

One thing I clearly identified and I thank my experince as a jet mechanic in the AF for this one, is that when the unit is working properly the water temps are achieved fairly quick but being able to tie all the indicators on the display together paint a pretty clear picture for me. 

The first indicator that I had a problem was from my PC.  Watching the controls I could see that the unit was burning hotter and I had to keep backing the feed rate down.  That should not have happen since it was all the same fuel.  Even with the fuel set down to 15% I was still hitting 1250 degrees in the combustion chamber. My ceramic temps were a consistant 750F.  The other indicator was the water temp was very slow to rise. Knowing the combination of having to turn the fuel rate way back, slow water temp rise even though I had high combustion temps, I shut it down and went out and had a look.  That is when I found the ash ramped up around the inside edges, the wok tipped to one side, and while typing this I now realize, the flame was probably being diverted directly onto the probe after it deflected off the wok causing the combustion temp issue and only providing heat to one side of the boiler, thus the slow water temp rise in relation to combustion temp.   

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« Reply #105 on: March 27, 2008, 11:24:07 AM »
Wow, good stuff Kirk.  Despite the headaches, I think it will all get worked out.  I'm sure WM is already making design mods. 

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« Reply #106 on: March 27, 2008, 12:44:09 PM »
Sounds like you got the lemon Kirk  8) 8)  From what I've read of your experiences with it I guess I don't want one anytime soon.  Give em a few years to work the bugs out and they oughta be O.K.

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« Reply #107 on: March 27, 2008, 01:13:00 PM »
Rest assured the fix arrived today! 

I had the boiler ready to come off in about 10 minutes and when Seth got here we lifted it up and put a new cone in that has a 2" lip around it so it cant shift or fall in.  had it all put back together and running in 30 minutes. 

The reason I think we are all fixed is the Ash stir is working the way it is suppose to and I will manualy auger the ash out but the most amazing part of todays fix is how the unit is running. 

I had never seen ceramic temps above 800F.  We went to lunch and let the unit run and when I got back it had just shut off and the ceramic temps were 1100F  :o

A quick phone call and Seth assured me that is a good thing! 

I suspect with the new cone that has the large 2" rim around it has ensured a perfect seal and ALL the heat is staying where its suppose to, as is evident from the cermic temps and the fact my water temp comes up much faster. 

All indications are its running better than ever before, which is a huge plus! 

As far as any design mods, I think the design over all is right on.  I do like the new cone as its clearly made a big difference but other than that the minor ash problem, which rice does have more ash, will be fixed when they get the computer bugs worked out.  From what I understand, for what ever reason none of the other units are having the auto ash auger problem that I am but thats OK. I got one of the first, if not the first units so challenges like this are expected.   
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« Reply #108 on: March 27, 2008, 03:37:36 PM »
I have been through three run cycles since my last post.  Went out and checked everything and looks like we have not just a fix, but a major improvement in performance.  When the unit cools down to the 160 water temp setting, which is when it turns back on, the cermics are just over 800F, which means virtually no propane is getting used during the restarts. 

I am going to turn down the water temps some more since we are in the low 40's through the night and see how things go.  High limit of 170 and low limit of 150.  That means that the unit will turn on when the boiler temp drops to 150F and turn back off at 170F.

Anyone else using a boiler for heat?  It would be interesting to know what temps your systems run at.

I am thinking, (I know thats dangerous) when I get the radiant heat in my shop it will take very little to heat it once its up to temp. 

Side note on money saved - Our electric bill was $38 dollars less this month and the only change was about 13 days of Biomizer use heating our hot water!  I am guessing it will save us at least $50 a month in electric, which equates to at least $600 a year.  I cant wait to see what we save on propane!  :o ;D
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« Reply #109 on: March 28, 2008, 11:14:08 AM »
I have two Taylors, one for the house and a second for the kiln.  For the house, I have a heat exchanger for part and radiant in cement for the other (a newer portion).  The house has the most used waterheater attached as well.  I just purchased a third furnace for one of the rentals on the Tree Farm.  It is used but in great shaped for $1,200 dollars.  It will cost another $800 for pipe and an exchanger. 

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« Reply #110 on: March 28, 2008, 11:08:40 PM »
WM found the computer bug that was causing the auger to not work in auto. They are going to send me a chip to install the new program and we should be good to go.



Unit is working better than ever before!  Fuel auger set at 15% with 30% air.  Combustion temps maintaining a steady 1270 F with ceramic temps of 900-1000.  House is nice and cozy 72 F  ;D

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« Reply #111 on: March 29, 2008, 12:40:42 PM »
Checked the Biomizer this morning and its working like a champ.  Used less than 1/4 of a hopper of fuel in 24 hours!  Ash contect would fit in a quart milk jug!  :o
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« Reply #112 on: March 29, 2008, 05:26:42 PM »
Kea,

Most radiant floor systems use a mixing valve to keep watertemps in the 120-130 degree range.
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« Reply #113 on: March 29, 2008, 08:08:55 PM »
When I put in the shop floor I will use the radiant heat in the floor and a mixing valve. 

We are going to install a mixing valve on our water heater for the house as right now its way to hot. 
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« Reply #114 on: March 30, 2008, 10:45:39 AM »
Hey Frank,
Do you have a back up furnace in the event your wood boiler goes down? 

I am looking at the forcasted temps over the next three days and our low is only 52 F so I am thinking of shutting the unit down and let the propane furnace fill in for those days.  Next temp drop is Wed of this week and they are calling for 29 F so I would fire it back up for that. 

If you do have a back up furnace, at what point do you decide to stop burning wood, if at all? 
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« Reply #115 on: March 30, 2008, 11:25:09 AM »
Kirk, we have no other form of heat, but the Taylor furnace.  About the only time I do not have a good heavy fire going is when I take the propane torch and burn out the chimney that is 16' tall.   ;D ;D ;D

I also have it set up so that I can plug into one of my generators to operate the pumps, fans and heat exchanger in the house.

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« Reply #116 on: March 31, 2008, 08:31:06 AM »
I am guessing the burner only kicked on a couple times through the night as there was virtualy no drop in the sawdust this morning.  It was 52 this morning so not much demand on it and I noticed the cermic temps have dropped down to about 350-400 range so figured it has not been on for a while. 

Seems like the new wok has solved all the problems I was having! 
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« Reply #117 on: March 31, 2008, 12:29:06 PM »
1/4 of a hopper sounds pretty good for the performance Kirk, great stuff.  My outdoor boiler usually runs a reservior temp of 160 - 180.  That runs the heat for the house, breezeway, 2 car garage, 20X30 resaw shop and the 16X30 kiln. 

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« Reply #118 on: March 31, 2008, 12:57:44 PM »
JP, thats a lot of stuff being heated.  What size boiler system do you have? 

Would having an aditional insulated water storage help?  I was thinking along the lines of having another 2-300 gallons of well insulated storage but not sure if the extra fuel needed to heat that would be offset by the down time or not.  Huge learning curve for sure. 
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« Reply #119 on: April 01, 2008, 08:17:57 AM »
Seppi, are you up and running yet?
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« Reply #120 on: April 01, 2008, 05:00:13 PM »
Got an e-mail today from Bret, the computer tech at WM and you want to talk about service! 

Instead of shipping me the chip to program my Biomizer he is going to personaly bring it to make sure it does in fact fix things. 

Again, hats off to the best service in the industry. 
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« Reply #121 on: April 02, 2008, 09:04:13 AM »
FIXED ;D   

Upgraded program and all is working automatically now!  No more ash augering in manual.  :)

One advantage to haveing gone through the manual process is I have figured out the ball park time settings so now that the auto is working I can plug the disired cycle times in and all should be good! 

It was also good to hear that I was not the only one having a problem. 

Current fuel load is set at 15% fuel feed, 30% air and maintaining 1300+ temps provided the ceramic temps is above 800.  When the ceramic temps are lower my combustion temps are in the 1200's. 
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« Reply #122 on: April 02, 2008, 02:52:45 PM »
You might want to try and figure out a system like the oil folks do with degree days of burning and such.  That way you can set the puter for the whole year.

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« Reply #123 on: April 02, 2008, 05:21:40 PM »
 ???  I dont think I am going to get that detailed.  :laugh:  Afterall, I am from the midwest :laugh:

I do need to mention again, the service provided from WM has been by far the best I have seen in any industry.  For Bret to come here today for a simple chip install says a lot!   I guess there are advantages to being close to WM ;D
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« Reply #124 on: April 02, 2008, 08:54:34 PM »
Kirk, I will inform u with our progress as happens. We have a few kinks in operations & need to T.K.O.B.---- Later. Congrats!!!.

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« Reply #125 on: April 04, 2008, 02:57:33 PM »
Look forward to hearing from you.

All is going extremely well here.  Biomizer has been up and running non stop for the last several days with no issues.  We had torrential horizontal rain with 50 mph gusts the other day and I wasn't sure how that would effect things but it appears all is good to go! 
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« Reply #126 on: April 04, 2008, 10:20:42 PM »
In the interest of full disclosure, this is Bret.

Glad to hear the burner is running well, we all appreciate your kind words. 

The last project I worked on is the new 17degree sawmill mentioned in the news above.  We introduced it at the wood tech show in Portland, Oregon last month.  It is called the 4250SCH.  It is a 2" bandsaw with 42" wheels and a 50Hp electric motor, the saw headrig stands about 14' tall.  To say that it is a step up from the LT300 would be a serious understatement.  We have partnered with Cleereman up in Wisconsin who are providing a carriage that we are mounting stationary and moving the saw across.  I wrote the software and designed the electrical systems.  I could go on and on but I'm sure there's a policy against sales on the board.       

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« Reply #127 on: April 05, 2008, 02:14:32 AM »
No policy Bret, promote away. Of course, a free sample wouldn't be refused. :D
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« Reply #128 on: April 05, 2008, 06:53:35 AM »
Welcome, Bret.  I spent all of one morning and part of an afternoon at the same show.  I guess I did not see the machine through the machines.  Toooooo bad for me.
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« Reply #129 on: April 06, 2008, 07:17:07 AM »
Welcome to the site Bret and thanks again for all your efforts.  The burner is working flaulesly since your visit. 

I am confident that the fix for just about all the problems I had was the ash auger programing. 

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« Reply #130 on: April 08, 2008, 07:03:36 AM »
Good A.M. ! We have had a tough week-end here. M. Nature delt us a bad hand to bet on,... 30 mph N.E. winds  & 28"- 32" of heavy wet snow!! This A.M. I will be attempting to move the 7 ft. snow pile that slid off my sawmill bldg. We are buried to a temporary stand-still. I had a logger to bring in 2 trk. loads of aspen but thats on hold now too. Limited progress on the BIO-UNIT, taking the insp. cover off the bottom section revealed that the WOK was sitting improperly in place. (due to having to rotate the top section for proper alignment) The WOK could have been made 2-3" wider to fix that problem. After another day (long) of scooping & hauling the white stuff away, I hope to be back to somewhat normal situation. More stuff later.---

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« Reply #131 on: April 08, 2008, 09:08:31 AM »
I know the wok they brought out for my fix had a 2" lip around it and it seemed to take care of the problem I was having with it shifting. 

Sorry to hear of all the snow shutting you down.  Rain has us shut down because of all the mud. 
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« Reply #132 on: April 08, 2008, 12:41:12 PM »
I have to say the one major advantage I am seeing over a wood boiler is that this system is an on-demand system. 

I fired up the system last night before going to bed and shut it off around 2 am.  (had to get up and take care of business ;D ) When I got up at 6 the water temps were still in the 140 range, thus still providing warmth to the house. 

If I was using a wood boiler, if I understand them right, once the fire is lit, your burning whether you want the heat or not.  I think the Biomizer in the long run is going to prove to be one heck of a money saver. 
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« Reply #133 on: April 08, 2008, 01:12:20 PM »
Is the Biomizer only for sawdust and like material, or could wood chips from a chipper be used as well?
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« Reply #134 on: April 08, 2008, 02:18:32 PM »
With the weather like it is around here now, 50s and 40s,  I could let the furnaace go to ashes alone and the water temp would fall to around 149 degrees in about 18 hours.  There would be more than enough heated energy to keep putting heat into the house and for the water heater.  I could then throw more wood into the furnace box and rekindle the system to raise the water back up to 200 degrees, to start the process all over again.

I do know that I could have gotten a furnace with a sawdust burner system attatched if I had wanted and burned both sawdust and larger wood. 

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« Reply #135 on: April 08, 2008, 02:46:41 PM »
Jay, it will burn any biomass material provided it is about 3/8ths of an inch or smaller.

Frank, that is about what im doing now. Heat up the system to 195 then shut it down for the day - about 12 hours.  The system is only 80 gallons and I think with more water storage it wold last quite a bit longer. 
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« Reply #136 on: April 13, 2008, 03:59:17 PM »
I got back from our Fire Show in Indy and fired up the burner as its snowing this morning :o

So far everything is working like a champ on it!  For no fewer bugs that I have seen I would say they have a winner!  Got to love free heat ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #137 on: April 16, 2008, 02:04:39 PM »
I am cutting salvaged Heart Pine from old wharehouse flooring.  I put the sawdust from it into the Biomizer last night and what a fire that was.  I had to turn down the feed rate quite a bit. 

For those in the south, Fat Lighter is what this stuff looked like.  It was full of sap and burned HOT!  ;D

Hot is Good ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #138 on: April 16, 2008, 10:30:36 PM »
That kind of wood out here, use to be called "tradin' stock".

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #139 on: April 17, 2008, 01:48:05 AM »
Careful Frank, you're dating yourself. 
My daddy told me about trade wood and what you could trade it for.  And then somebody invented the Bic lighter.

I've heard it called "b;ack pitch" too.
 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #140 on: April 17, 2008, 10:05:00 PM »
I haven't checked the board for a while,
Very busy these days.  We are focused on bringing the Million BTU version to market first, getting a couple of rev rolls in on it this summer.  Building, testing, etc. 3 units by about August. 

Sorry to break it to you, I think all 3 have homes already.  We are getting calls everyday from people who need this product.  People with dry kilns are really feeling Propane prices.  Spending literally hundreds of dollars per day on gas. 

The current design of the large burner does not blow the fuel the same way that the small one does and can therefore handle up to 1" screening from a chipper.  We are perfecting the controls that already allow more flexibility of fuel.  It automaticly adjusts fuel rate to achieve and maintain a constant burn temperature.  And the heat exchanger is a different design allowing better operation at idle (gas consumption goes to zero after startup even if you idle for long periods).  Some of these improvements will carry over to the small burner in future revisions.   

It is common on the small burner, like KEA mentioned, when you get a new (spieces, moisture content, whatever) fuel you need to manually adjust fuel and air rates (seperately) to re-optomize the system.  Too little air and you have smoke, too much air cools the burn chamber robbing BTUs causing you to use more fuel to do the same job. 
Fuel is quite variable also.  It is some number of BTUs/lb dry (there are subtle differences between species, a bucket of hickery is heavier than a bucket of spruce, but BTUs/lb is about the same, the density is different), if the moisture content is up, it takes some of your heat to boil off that water. Sawdust from a bandsaw is pretty dense, plainer shavings are fluffy (needs to be augered in much faster).  We are working toward a system that is mostly self adjusting.

Sorry to be so dry and long winded.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #141 on: April 18, 2008, 06:11:06 PM »
Great info Bret.  Thanks for the update. Things are going quite well with my unit and with any luck it will be heating the kiln this summer. 

I think having temp controls that automaticly control the feed and air rate would be the cats meow, although what we have right now is pretty simple. 

I had a buddy that stopped by to check it out as he wanted to compare it to his new corn burner.  He was pretty proud of the computer controls of his corn burner etc. until he saw my running mine from my PC ;D 

No matches to light it!
No dusty clean out!
Simple to load!

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I have a load of kiln dried walnut from the gunstock builder burning right now. 12% on the feed rate, 22% on the air, Combustion temp averages 1350F!  :o
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #142 on: April 20, 2008, 08:27:17 AM »
Well the new rocket fuel of the day is 200+ year old heart pine sawdust.   :o 

Feed rates down to 10% and easily maintaining 1300F with the ceramics at 900-1000F.

I guess the sap in that stuff gives it the added boost!
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #143 on: April 20, 2008, 08:41:06 AM »
Good Sunday A.M. kEA & everyone.  WM will be sending us replacement items needed to allow us to get up & running. ( a new designed WOK & ceramic probe ). We have to move the unit out of it's shelter & dis-assemble the sections to MODIFY the heat baffle location. The present loc. does not allow the temp probe to be installed. The 1'st WOK falls in just like KEA's unit did. Seth & Jeff have been involved in working  on getting us these parts. Will up-date our progress. ---- later.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #144 on: April 20, 2008, 09:08:24 AM »
Thats a bummer seppi.  I figured you were up and running by now.  The new wok they made for mine seems to work great.  It has a 2" lip around the top of it and it cant fall in, or should I say it has not fallen yet :D

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #145 on: April 26, 2008, 09:57:55 AM »
I received shipment from WM today. A new improved WOK, new ceramic assmb., instruction book, &  comp. chip. Now,..... all we have to do is wait for Mother Nature to co-operate with us !!! We are smack in the center of just another winter storm.... 6 to 14 inches of snow & 35 mph. winds. We will progress with repairs & re-install etc. when weather permits.----- later.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #146 on: April 26, 2008, 04:42:42 PM »
Not getting any snow but I am fireing up the burner tonight as its going to dip back down in the 40's tonight and mid 30's over the next couple days. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #147 on: April 26, 2008, 11:28:36 PM »
Enjoying the free heat tonight untill.............................all of a suddent the combustion temp quit going up no matter what I set the feed rate at. 

Shut the unit down and ran out to make sure the auger was not packed for some reason and found an interesting problem.  Minor but still a matter to be aware of.

I had been putting the heart pine sawdust in the hopper until it was full.  That was at least 5 days ago.  This stuff is FULL of pitch and turns out after sitting that long it bridged on me.  The auger took out the fuel from the bottom and left a void where no sawdust was getting down to the feed auger. 

A quick poke in the hopper fixed it but I can see we are going to HAVE to have a second set of paddles up higher to stop this from happening. 

Got everthing going again and will check in the morning to make sure all is good.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #148 on: April 29, 2008, 06:58:18 AM »
Good feedback KEA!! I will keep this in mind when we use our pine bio-dust. Most of the pine we have screened with oak or ash mix. We are sawing 15,000 BF of aspen dunnage now + prime side material. Have anyone been using aspen bio-dust yet for testing?? We are forcasted another major storm again starting thursday-sunday ( heavy rains & wet snow!!) More info coming later..---

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #149 on: April 29, 2008, 10:55:01 AM »
I have not but if its not less than 35% moisture it wont burn well at all.  Initially they thought green sawdust would be OK but testing has proven it takes LOTS of propane to get it to  burn, thus defeeting the goal of not using any propane.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #150 on: April 29, 2008, 09:35:57 PM »
How about some sort of air pressure inside the cone, to make the dust continueally move about.  That may not be possible as the air movement mike cause some other problem inthe burning process.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #151 on: April 30, 2008, 09:06:10 AM »
It has air pressure both from the blower fan and the heat expansion of the combustion.  The dust is free floating pretty much all the time since its blown in just a little at a time.  Kind of like throwing a handfull of sawdust into a large camp fire. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #152 on: April 30, 2008, 02:00:40 PM »
So, it must be that the pitch level is way high and it causes the sticking to the sides of the container?  Pehaps some Pam sprayed on the sides of the container, from time to time woudl do the trick, or a material covered with teflon?

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #153 on: April 30, 2008, 05:03:22 PM »
Lining the storage bin with teflon may not be a bad idea. 

It seems that the finer the material the more it tends to bridge.  I should have taken a picture of it to better explain what is happening. 

On a very positive note, two months running our electric bill has dropped by over $65 each month.  Since our water heater is turned off and the biomizer is taking care of heating the water we can confirm over $130 savings in only two months of use!   ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #154 on: May 02, 2008, 07:51:03 AM »
Not to mention the two months we have not had to use ANY propane from the main tank.  I suspect that savings alone is over $500 :o 

I have used 1- 40lb cylinder with the Biomizer over a two month period and most of that got used during the early stages of testing when we had major problems and burned far more propane than needed. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #155 on: May 14, 2008, 07:42:46 PM »
Glad you're so pleased.  We tryed several diferent fuel bins before settling on the one you have.  Bridging is a problem inherent to sawdust.  The smooth, vertical walls are the best we've found, the plastic it is made of is a pretty waxy compound and that helps also.  We have discussed adding to the stirrers in the fuel bin to combat the bridging issue. 

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #156 on: May 15, 2008, 08:15:34 AM »
I sure wish I was closer to VA :( 

We just dont get any good Forestry shows in the Midwest.  :(
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #157 on: May 15, 2008, 08:43:47 AM »
Kirk, you might think of getting some spray on Teflon for the hopper.

Me too, Kirk.  But you are closer than I am, out here on the Left Coast. ;D

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #158 on: May 15, 2008, 08:59:27 AM »
Bret, I think adding to the stirrers is a great idea.  I dont think it would take much to fix the problem. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #159 on: May 19, 2008, 09:58:25 PM »
I cut more of the heart pine over the last several days and on this particular resaw job I can fill the 100 gallon hopper with dry sawdust in about 3 hours of cutting. 

I figure when I get back to logs instead of resawing I should be able to to do the same in about half that time, which means I am going to have plenty of fuel for the winter.  ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #160 on: October 02, 2008, 08:53:54 AM »
I figured it wont be long before we fire up the Biomizer.  Winter is showing its head. 

If the coats on the deer are any indication of what we are up for this winter is going to be a killer.  Opening day was yesterday and the deer are darker than ever, which means a heavy coat.  Their necks are almost black the fir is so thick. 

Anyway, sawdust inventory is up and still growing.  I'm going to try to get through the winter with not buring any propane from the main tank.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #161 on: October 02, 2008, 12:27:23 PM »
I have to get one.
How much sawdust did you use total??
I read this whole post.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #162 on: October 02, 2008, 05:20:00 PM »
I didnt keep track of the total sawdust used since it was waste material.  I might, key word "might", try to keep track of total use. 

A lot depends on how cold it gets but even on some of our coldest days last winter this thing rocked and kept this old farm house at a comfortable 70-75 degrees.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #163 on: October 29, 2008, 08:03:47 AM »
We had Woodmizer out Monday with the their sales staff, engineers, marketing people and tech support.  They came out to get my feedback on the Biomizer.

Had a great visit and discussion and I am definitely looking forward to see this product move forward.  It works great............................provided you don't mix two bags of wet sawdust in the hopper.    :o 

Doing that yesterday lead to feed rates as high as 60 and I could hardly get the temps above 1200.  It burned but this morning I went out to check things and the hopper was "EMPTY"  :o   

I guess I spoiled myself with using such dry stuff and feed rates as low as 10-20.  With those rates it would last over 24 hours. 

Not a big deal as I was turning the unit off today anyway since we are warming back up this week. 

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #164 on: October 30, 2008, 08:25:33 AM »
Put in a larger hopper or an auxillary hoppter for such events.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #165 on: October 30, 2008, 08:50:33 AM »
Frank,
I think the size has hit its limit because going bigger causes compaction problems. 

An auxillary hopper is they way to go and I am looking into that.  I want to simply auger in the fuel from a bulk storage and that way I can just fill the bulk storage once a week. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #166 on: November 18, 2008, 08:19:25 PM »
So I see by the weather map you must be in snow and cold weather....how is the cheap heat going?
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #167 on: November 19, 2008, 07:43:44 AM »
No snow yet.  I have cranked up the Biomizer a couple times but after calculating the fuel demand and compared that to what I have stored I figured I better wait until December to get it rocking. 

I installed a modification to the fuel storage and will post that today if I get time. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #168 on: November 27, 2008, 07:57:53 AM »
Well the fuel stir mod failed miserably.  The torque on the stir mechanism unscrewed itself from the base.  WM told me to anchore it with a bolt since there was a pre drilled hole in the base of the sawdust bin stir mechanism.  I did that, filled the hopper and all appeared good.............................until around 3 in the morning when the furnace fan kept running and the house was getting cold.

Went out and check things and turns out the torque that was unscrewing the stir mechanism appears to have been transfered to the chain and gears below.  The chain broke, shaft bent, and we are down I suspect until sometime next week.  I am waiting to hear back from WM on the next plan of attack. 

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #169 on: November 27, 2008, 08:13:20 AM »
This is the unit we tried to stop the bridging with.  1 1/4" pile thats 12" long.  "T" at the top with reducers on each side to 1/2" pipe.  The concept was sound but appearantly there is way to much resistance from the weight of the sawdust above it. 


This is the installed unit


This is what it did to the gears on the bottom.  Not sure what it looks like in the sawdust bin because its still 3/4 full of sawdust and I cant see anything.  Going to have to vacume out the sawdust to get to the mechanism.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #170 on: November 27, 2008, 08:39:29 AM »
It appears that the weight on any "stirer" will be an issue.

How about a single pipe or rod, bent at a slight angle, so it is "off axis"? You know, kind of a whip effect....but maybe will take less torque. I would love to see the unit first hand...so maybe if you buy the skid steer, if I complete the trade, I will get to.....did I discuss shipping costs yet?  ;)
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #171 on: December 07, 2008, 11:12:39 AM »
My hats off to WM.  They have out done themselves this time. 

After inspecting all the components on the sawdust bin and lower plate I determined that the week link in the system was the base plate. It's hard to see in the pic but on the right hand side the metal was bent almost a whole inch.  What finally broke was the chain from not aligning on the gears.



It was .120 thick and the torque bent it with no problem.  That is what casued the drive gears to be out of alignment. 

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I let Jeff Heidlage, head guy at Biomizer, know what I had and what I needed.  One suggestion I had was for the base plate to have a trap door to remove the sawdust from the bin.  I had to use a bucket and hand shovel to empty it this time so I could take things apart to find the problem.

This is the new base plate with the mechanisms all back installed.  You can see the 6" trap door to the left back side.  The stir mechanism on it in this pic is what lead to the torquing of the base plate. 


This is what the gears should look like ;D



This is the lower stir mechanism and it works fine!


This is the fabricated new upper stir mechanism and I can say as of this morning, it worked flawlessly!  The hopper was full to the top last night and no bridging at all today! 



OK, so why all the praise to WM?  Simple!  Jeff Heidlage was the one doing the work to get me back up and running.  The rest of the Biomizer team is in Toronto installing a commercial Biomizer.  When is the last time you had the head of a department get his hands dirty and take care of you?  Jeff sent me a new base plate that was 1/4" thick (twice as thick as the old one) installed a trap door at my request and did so in just a couple of days.  Were talking a custom fabrication and delivered to my door in basically 2 days.

Thank you Wood Mizer and my hats off to Jeff Heidlage for your great support!   

The whole swap took 2 hours from start to test ignition!  We are rocking again! 
Feed rates of super dry heart pine mixed with some other "stuff" I am trying are 12 with combustion temps at 1320F.  The unit looks like it ran quite a bit last night since my Ceramic temps are a steady 1120F this morning.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #172 on: December 09, 2008, 04:54:41 PM »
So far so good.  Two days and no bridging in the bin anymore.  Looks like we have a simple and inexpensive fix!

Currently running a mix of kiln dried walnut sawdust, Eastern Red Cedar planer shavings, and 10-15% ground rice hulls. Other than a few minor growing panes the unit is rocking! 
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« Reply #173 on: December 09, 2008, 05:31:40 PM »
So what is the weather like up there?  :laugh:
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« Reply #174 on: December 10, 2008, 08:33:23 AM »
cold and windy this morning.  We didnt get any of the snow they talked about.  Most of it went west of us. 

40's by the weekend!
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #175 on: December 10, 2008, 10:09:19 AM »
Good stuff Kirk - Sounds like your feedback on your unit is really going to help WM tweek their design.  Give them a year or so and they should have a pretty impressive design.  I'm definetely looking at one of those when I see they've got things smoothed out. 

I've always been pretty impressed with WM.  The few times I called their tech line, I always got a great response and they were very quick to honor the warranty.  The travelling tech guy that comes around is a nice service too.  I usually have him come by every 2nd year and he goes stem to stern on the mill. 

Good to see a corporate climate that actually gives a crap about their customers!

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #176 on: December 15, 2008, 05:03:26 PM »
Well its 14 this morning, 16 for the high today and looks like 13 for the low tonight.

Sawdust is burning at 1300 degrees and the water temps are maintaining 185-200 and the 107 year old farm house is a cozy 70 degrees! ;D  The hopper is full and I hope to not have to touch it all night!

Now if that news is not good enough, hear this.  Woodmizer definatly has the cogeneration as a top priority for the future Biomizer products.  My suggestion was to use the Biomizer for air conditioning/co generation.  That way when you have to work on the unit for any reason your toes dont get cold ;D
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« Reply #177 on: December 15, 2008, 05:11:42 PM »
The weather we are having is miserable.....I am stoking the woodstove for the night.
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« Reply #178 on: December 15, 2008, 05:19:52 PM »
Miserable here as well. The wind has been over 20 mph all day so it feels like its below zero.  :o
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« Reply #179 on: December 20, 2008, 05:09:27 PM »
Looks like some cold weather going to slam us tomarrow and Monday so the Biomizer is going into overdrive. 

I ran my regular furnace in conjuction with the Biomizer and it was pretty impressive what the two can do.  Normally my propane heat can keep the house at 70 but when it dips down in the single digits with any wind I am lucky to keep it at 65 unless I let it run all the time. 

Using both the Biomizer and the propane furnace the air coming out of the vents in my house measured 150 degrees! :o  This old house has the big square cast iron vents and I am here to tell you there is nothing better than to have that kind of heat to warm you cold toes after an afternoon of cutting. 

More importantly is how fast the two working together can heat up the old house and keep it that way without running very often. 

Averaging 24 hours to a hopper but I suspect with highs of 5 degrees with 30 mph winds this Sunday and Monday that might change just a bit. 

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #180 on: December 21, 2008, 09:13:29 AM »
Well the plan worked out.  I was planning on starting the biomizer up this morning after church but about 4am I noticed my furnace was running almost non stop.  I had the thermostate set at 66 before we went to bed and I figured the cold came earlier than planned, as well as got colder than they said it would.

At 4 am it showed 0 on our thermometer and the weather channel had us at 26 mph winds with gusts to 40.  It was just downright cold. 

Since we were in the upper 30's yesterday I had shut it off so I cranked it up this morning and in about 90 minutes I had the house at a toasty 70 degrees and the furnace is back to only coming on about two or three times an hour. 


I suspect my fuel demand to keep up is going to be a hopper every 12 hours if this wind keeps up like it is.  Our high today is only going to be 10 and we're stuck with the winds through Monday and that day our high is only goign to be 15.   :( :'(
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #181 on: December 21, 2008, 09:16:35 AM »
Did I mention that cranking it up is as simple as clicking on a few icons on the computer screen.......................? 

Well, normally that is the case but for some reason the regulator that is in line freezes up when its below 20 degrees.  I had to bundle up and go out into the Alaskan, Illinois cold and heat up the regulator in order to fire up the unit.

Anyone ever have any experience with propane regulators freezing up?
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #182 on: December 21, 2008, 12:43:27 PM »
Well so far so good.  I have the ceramic temps maintaining 1100-1200 degrees and that is hot enough to auto ignite the sawdust so I have not had to face the cold but one time this morning.

Turned up the thermostat in the house to 72 just to take the chill out of the air ;D  Sure is cozy! 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #183 on: December 21, 2008, 02:24:48 PM »
When i was in the oil patch as a well tender people with house gas would run out beacuse the regulater would get a little water and freeze shut when it gets really cold.
To fix this warm the regulator the ice will melt.
Then wrap the regulator with some kind of inslulation.
Then wrap the inslulation with a heavy plastic or muilty layers of thin plastic.
Then wrap with eletric tape the two inch wide stuff worked great. Poke a small hole at the bottom to let any water out if it get in.
Now this is what we did for people that got gas right from the seperater.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #184 on: December 21, 2008, 04:58:24 PM »
Thanks Mr. Mom!  I will do just that.........................in about another 36 hours as we are in the deep freeze until Tuesday here.   :'(
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« Reply #185 on: December 22, 2008, 04:10:52 PM »
glad to help

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #186 on: December 22, 2008, 04:41:21 PM »
The wind died down today and we got up to 11 degrees so I figured I would try your fix this morning. Heated it up, got the unit going then wrapped it with three layers of pink insulation, then tile taped (2" wide electrical tape) it up and ensured no moisture can get in. 

About an hour later the unit would not start.  No propane getting to it so had to cut off the insulation and heat it up again. 

WM is sending me a new regulator.  I will swap it out tomarrow.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #187 on: December 23, 2008, 11:47:27 AM »
Might still have water in it.
I think there is a vent hole make sure it is not blocked. Spiders like to build houses there.
Might need to be rebuilt.
Could use a blowdryer and try to dry it out. Then when it starts to work wrap it again.
Could try to open and close a couple times when you get it going.

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #188 on: December 23, 2008, 03:00:32 PM »
I will swap out the new one and when I have the old one off I will give it the once over to see if I can find out what the problem is. 

I tried the hair dryer on it but the only thing that would work was a torch. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #189 on: December 26, 2008, 10:04:16 AM »
Are you using some sort of backup heating system, like a good old fashioned woodstove?

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #190 on: December 26, 2008, 10:18:42 AM »
My back up is the central air furnace that runs off of propane. 

New regulator on and with temps of 15 last night it seemed to work fine but not sure if it was auto igniting from high ceramic temps or from propane.  I was whipped and didnt stay up late to see what it was doing. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #191 on: December 27, 2008, 02:20:27 PM »
68 degrees today with winds out of the south at 35 mph gusting to 40.

Decided to go ahead and put Antifreeze in the Biomizer boiler.  Since I have a few trips in January to go on I dont want my wife to have to mess with keeping things going to prevent a freeze.  Now that its added I can simply shut it down if I want to and not worry. 

Mixed it so that we are good to -25 degrees.  If that doesnt do it I am moving back to Alaska, where it rarely gets that cold where we want to move.  ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #192 on: December 31, 2008, 06:56:13 PM »
I picked up some super secret fuel today to try in the Biomizer :police: 

Holy Cow!  I think I have found the rocket fuel of all rocket fuels for Biomass burning!  I have cranked my auger rate down to 10 and have stable combustion temps of over 1400 degrees F. 

With the temps I have right now and feed rates I could burn for 2 days easy on one bin of this stuff.  I was told by the lab tech at the plant where I got it that the ash content will be less than sawdust.  "IF" he is correct I have found the perfect fuel that anyone can purchase and use in the Biomizer!  At $60-$100 a ton its cost effective for anyone compared to Natural Gas or Propane. 

I will keep you posted but for now I am not going to disclose the fuel until I talk with Biomizer on some possible marketing stratagies.  ;D
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #193 on: December 31, 2008, 09:18:15 PM »
It's 32 below zero currently with highs to -10 today. Forecast is more of the same for the next week.  :o My daughter in Fairbanks said it was -60 this am.
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« Reply #194 on: December 31, 2008, 10:48:56 PM »
High of 29 today and tonight its going to get down to 13. 

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #195 on: January 01, 2009, 09:50:22 AM »
I only had enough of this fuel to cover the bottom 6-8 inches of the bin.  After getting things rocking through the evening I was at a feed rate of 9 and air at 26. I got up twice during the night to see how things were going and all was well. 

At 5:45 I was checking the computer and watching the combustion temps when they dropped off.  Out of fuel! 

That little bit I had, burned for 13 hours and kept the house at 72 degrees. 

I just checked the ash content and I know its not much fuel but I could fit the ash in two coffee cups.  I was worried that the ash content might be like that of the rice husks but it was 1000 times less.  No clinkers either, which was a shock since the ash stir is not working right now.
 
The plant where I got this stuff opens in the morning and I am going to work on getting a ton of it for further testing but from what I saw last night, I could fill the hopper one time and burn for at least 36-48 hours no problem without filling it again.  That’s a HUGE plus in the wood burner business, not to mention less burden on my wife when I am on the road  ;D

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« Reply #196 on: January 01, 2009, 10:09:22 AM »
So bottom line excluding equipment . Whats the cost per hour on your coldest day. My oil heater idles throttled back to 24,000 btu at .20 gal/hr at -30 F  Thats .39/hr
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #197 on: January 01, 2009, 11:31:00 AM »
Best I can figure on the little bit of fuel I used based on $60 a ton it works out to be about $.23 cents an hour but thats at full steam of 200,000 btu. 

I suspect if I backed it off to 100,000 btu the cost would be in the low teens per hour. 

I will know more after more in depth testing of this stuff but I know its way cheaper than propane. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #198 on: January 02, 2009, 08:42:44 PM »
I sat in line at the plant in Paris, IL this afternoon to pick up 2 Tons of the fuel I am testing.  Took me 7 hours to get filled.  I could never be a trucker. >:(

The good part, the guy felt bad since I only had a little 300 bushel farm wagon and when he put 2 Tons in it was only half full. He asked if he could go ahead and fill it and I told him I only paid for 2 Ton.  He said no problem.  This stuff is waste anyway. 

I ended up getting 4 +tons of this stuff for $200.  Burning it straight right now and with one propane assist at start up it never needed propane again.  With sawdust its a 4-6 cycle process. 
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« Reply #199 on: January 02, 2009, 08:55:20 PM »
Is that sawdust osr some other secret ingredient?

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« Reply #200 on: January 02, 2009, 09:06:35 PM »
Probably Corn Flakes from Cargill
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #201 on: January 02, 2009, 09:19:21 PM »
No Sawdust at all in the new test fuel.  I am keeping my mouth shut for now as I want to look further into some opportunities. ;D

Its from Cargill but not corn flakes.   8)  Now that you know where its from its a matter of finding out which product of the 30 they sell  ;)

I know one thing, this stuff is like nothing I have ever tried and if the price holds everyone would be able to have a Biomizer and save a fortune on propane or fuel oil.  :)
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« Reply #202 on: January 02, 2009, 09:37:32 PM »
Thought I would put up a pic of the controls as they are running on my PC tonight. 

As you can see, the auger feed rate is only 9  :o   The Ash number represents the number of minutes before it cylces on.  When its on its only for 10 seconds.  I may have to increase the cycle time since there is so little ash with this stuff.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #203 on: January 02, 2009, 10:06:51 PM »
Could I burn the material in my Taylors?  Prsoblem is, we do not have that kind of material production, here on the Left Coast. :'( :'(

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« Reply #204 on: January 02, 2009, 10:13:44 PM »
The first column is Combustion temp. I have my high limit set at 205 and the low at 194.  When it hits the high it shuts off automatically then when it hits the low it turns on automatically.

The second column is the combustion temp.  1650 F is the max. 

Third column is the ceramic temp.  Once the ceramics are heated up they hold the heat for a very long time and also provide the ignition source on start up.  If the ceramics are hot enough the unit never even calls for propane. 

The last column is the flue temp.  I would like to capture the flue heat as I think a lot is being wasted from that, even though this thing is pretty efficient.

Frank,
Not sure on if it would burn in the taylor.  If it burns logs I doubt it would work very well.  Needs to be a suspended burn.  Kind of like throwing flour up in the air above a bon fire.
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« Reply #205 on: January 03, 2009, 07:51:41 AM »
I had filled the hopper full last night and this morning we have dropped about 8 inches from the top.  :o
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« Reply #206 on: January 03, 2009, 04:30:39 PM »
What I failed to realize until checking the hopper a few minutes ago is that when I filled it last night the biomizer had been off for a day and the water temps were down to 100.  It used a good portion of the 8" of fuel last night just getting the water up to 205. 

When I checked it a minute ago I was baffled becasue it hasnt dropped more than 4 inches from where it was this morning, then it hit me.  The water was up to temp and it only comes on for a very short time to keep within limits, thus very little fuel needed.

From what I see this afternoon I suspect this one hopper will last 3 days comfortably and maybe 4 days.  I know it would if I turned down the water temp but our temps are suppose to drop like a rock tomarrow so I am going to leave it as is. 
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« Reply #207 on: January 03, 2009, 07:34:01 PM »
If that is the case, Kirk, I know the Taylor will burn pellets from a hopper system as well as the logs.  So, I surmise that your product could burn in such a unit. 

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« Reply #208 on: January 03, 2009, 07:38:18 PM »
I suspect so but I know some of the corn burners that can burn pellats cant burn fine dust material because of the blower in the hot box.  Not sure how the Taylor works but I know plenty of truckers that would bring you about 45,000lbs  ;D
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« Reply #209 on: January 03, 2009, 09:44:36 PM »
$300 credit on the taxes for a Biomass stove!  I can add this to my total savings!
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« Reply #210 on: January 04, 2009, 01:33:01 AM »
I've run propane converted trucks, off road, in Wyoming in the winter.

The converter/demand valve on the conversion kit is plumbed into the cooling system to provide heat to the converter to prevent freeze up.  It's purpose was to convert liquid propane to vapor

The fuel tank had a vapor valve and a liquid valve.  You'd start on vapor and had to switch to liquid to get enough power to run the truck engine under load. Idle of high idle was ok either way.

If you didn't start on vapor and warm the engine up a bit the expansion of the liquid propane would freeze the coolant at the converter and make the biggest icecube under the hood of the truck you've every seen.

Are you running vapor or liquid to the valve?  That might be your problem. Expanding propane can get -60F, fast.

Also was told it would get so cold in Scoby, MT that the restaurant had to build a fire under their propane tank to get enough gas pressure to have the cook stove work.  Now that's scarey!  Propane looses a lot of pressure when it gets cold.
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« Reply #211 on: January 04, 2009, 09:08:38 AM »
The unit uses vapor.  Turns out the problem lied within the nozzle port.  It was suppose to be a tight fit at the face of the inginiter assembly.  The flange was slightly bent and allowing air to get in and causing the problem. 

After finding it we are working perfectly as far as the starting problem goes.  Still some Ash Stir issues we are working on but the unit is running awesome.  36 hours since the last hopper fill and this morning there is still over half a hopper full.  That means I could possibly get 72 hours on one hopper!   :o

Why is that such a big deal?  How many OWB (Outdoor Wood Boiler) folks have to fill it with fire wood every 12 hours?  Only having to fill this thing once a day was a plus but imagine only every 2-3 days :o
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« Reply #212 on: January 05, 2009, 11:45:50 PM »
Suppose it would burn saw dust from a Lucas or MD?
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« Reply #213 on: January 09, 2009, 10:09:49 PM »
I am sure it would! 
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« Reply #214 on: January 12, 2009, 05:05:00 PM »
We have managed to get 80 hours on one hopper of the super fuel.  I am rather overwhelmed how well this stuff is working. 

I have found that you need to have a feed rate that keeps the combustion temps in the 1400-1550 F range.  When I kept the temps down around 1250 F I ended up with lots of clinkers.  Upping the feed rate to get higher temps took care of that problem. 

Right now we are running the auger at a rate of 10 with the air at 28 and have pretty consistant temps of 1475-1525 F. 

It sure is nice to not have to worry about filling the hopper every morning or afternooon.   ;D   With the cold snap we have coming later in the week I hope to be able to fill the hopper on Thursday afternoon and not have to mess with it in the cold until Sunday night, when it warms up a few degrees  ;)

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« Reply #215 on: January 12, 2009, 07:23:43 PM »
that wood be nice to only feed it 2 a week
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« Reply #216 on: January 12, 2009, 08:26:30 PM »
Nice is an understatement Mike. Its a "relief"!  As you know, stoking the burner every 12 hours gets old fast.  Even though its free heat, it takes its toll the older we get.
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« Reply #217 on: January 13, 2009, 09:16:04 PM »
yes our stove gets fed about every 5 hours
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« Reply #218 on: January 16, 2009, 07:42:44 AM »
What are you talking about, Kirk?  I feed mine twice a day and I am 20 years your senior.  Get off if age excuse, my friend. ;D ;D ;D ;D :angel: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

In fact, I feed two furnaces a day.  One is all year long, for the kiln. :angel:

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« Reply #219 on: January 16, 2009, 08:11:06 AM »
Let me clarify Frank :) 

When I get "much" older, like 65  ;D :D ;) I don't want to have to cut and split wood.  This is much simpler and easier on my body!  Us young pups are not built the same as you old farts!  You guys walked up hill both ways to school, chipped salt off the cattle's salt blocks for table salt and since your in Oregon, your heritage was built of steel, as mine only made to the midwest ;D :D ;) :laugh:,
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« Reply #220 on: January 16, 2009, 10:13:53 PM »
You left out a couple:  I used raw milassis on my pancakes and wrestled my cattle without a rope, for doctoring.

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« Reply #221 on: January 16, 2009, 11:36:16 PM »
And didn't put his shoes on 'till he got to school, so they'ed last all year.
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« Reply #222 on: January 17, 2009, 12:39:42 AM »
Cmon Kirk,

Frank is one of the 'softer' ones here  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #223 on: January 17, 2009, 09:42:00 AM »
Geeeeee, I got three good friends,out there in syber land.  Harry, where are you to make number 4?

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« Reply #224 on: January 17, 2009, 01:25:55 PM »
If its one of Franks pics we will never see it ::) 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #225 on: January 17, 2009, 07:48:21 PM »
In all fairness to Frank,

He traded in his horse for a gator.....

He traded his Cowboy Hat for the Tin Cap  (I wear one also)

He traded his sheep dog for a Bernard

and he did have a donkey to remind him of days gone by.   Don't remember seeing him (donkey) the last time I was at Frank's !  Frank?

With all that he has to do.......... and since he has several 'hundred kids' he does not have much time to learn "pic & puter".

Besides the experience of being at his place is more fun than pics anyway  ;D

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« Reply #226 on: January 17, 2009, 09:39:03 PM »
He traded the Donkey for the blind horse  :D ;)
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #227 on: January 19, 2009, 10:06:59 AM »
Careful, Kirk, I will tell Alice that you are making fun of her mini Donkey and her blind horse. ;D

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« Reply #228 on: January 19, 2009, 02:38:18 PM »
 :D :D :D :D ;)
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #229 on: February 02, 2009, 09:26:21 PM »
The whole month of January was all Biomizer heat!  We have kept the house a cozy 70-72 degrees and it appears all is working well, other than the ash stir.  We are still trying to figure out why the motors keep failing. 

The secret fuel we have been using is nothing more than.............Drum Roll Please....................... :o

Hominy Feed
Overall, we have saved about $1500 so far this year.  That is based on a reduced electric bill for the water heater and far less propane purchased. 

If things keep going the way they have I believe the Biomizer will pay for itself in three years, or three winters of use.  This is the first whole winter we have had it.  The tail end of last winter just got our feet wet but did save some money. 
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« Reply #230 on: February 02, 2009, 09:53:01 PM »
Well, finally, something that hominy is goo for, besides nothing. ;D

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« Reply #231 on: February 02, 2009, 09:55:28 PM »
Cant eat the stuff so might as well burn it ;D :D ;)
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #232 on: February 03, 2009, 08:12:33 AM »
so what is hominy feed
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #233 on: February 03, 2009, 08:38:28 AM »
Its the left over crap from the corn mill.  Its the stuff that wont make corn meal, corn flower, etc. 

Hominy is now being fed to cattle, chickens, hogs etc all over the country. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #234 on: February 04, 2009, 06:43:02 AM »
It must be awfully dry, Kirk.  Do they bag it or do you get it in bulk?

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #235 on: February 04, 2009, 08:02:48 AM »
I picked up a gravity wagon full of it from the cerial mill.  It is very dry and is working better than any fuel I have tried! 

In fact, it burns so well that the ceramic temps are high enough that I have not been needing the propane for intial start ups. 

The ash contect, or lack of, is amazing.  I have burned probably a ton of this stuff and the ash would fit in a 5 gallon bucket with room to spare.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #236 on: February 04, 2009, 08:12:41 AM »
Its the left over crap from the corn mill. 
That is the same thing as GRITS , right? ::) ;)

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #237 on: February 04, 2009, 08:20:55 AM »
Close. Grits would be the product before this. 

I think what they should realy call it is corn garbage.  Its all the fines and dust droppings from the manufacture of the other foods they make.  All the particles gathered up in the dust collectors go into what they call hominy hoppers.  Its that stuff that they sell as feed, or for me, Rocket Fuel!

I will keep using sawdust but its nice to know I have an alternative fuel in the event I run out of sawdust.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #238 on: April 07, 2009, 08:30:48 PM »
The Biomizer mothballed for the season ?

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #239 on: April 07, 2009, 09:08:14 PM »
Actually they scapped the residential model last week.  Lots learned from the testing and they are going to introduce a bigger & better model later this summer that has fixes for the issues we identified. 
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« Reply #240 on: October 29, 2009, 11:35:40 AM »
Anthing new about the boimizer??

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #241 on: October 29, 2009, 04:38:47 PM »
I bet the weather will be about right now for a refire.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #242 on: October 30, 2009, 12:59:22 PM »
Escaped or scrapped?

Actually they scapped the residential model last week.  Lots learned from the testing and they are going to introduce a bigger & better model later this summer that has fixes for the issues we identified. 

Does that mean you have an orphan?  Are they going to continue your unit?
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #243 on: October 31, 2009, 09:05:41 AM »
They have scrapped the unit model I have.  I cant use my unit because the computer controls had to be returned upon completion of the testing.  Now I have a skelatin of a burner with no computer controls to run it.

They were hoping to have a new model ready by this winter but it doesnt look like that is going to happen. 
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #244 on: October 31, 2009, 09:52:47 AM »
Well, Kirk, you might just have to purchase a hot water furnace, like me, for the house and kiln. ;D  I do burn some sawdust in the Summer months.

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« Reply #245 on: November 12, 2009, 09:35:00 PM »
Well its now Official!  No more Biomizer. The project has been shelved indefinatly  :(
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #246 on: November 13, 2009, 05:31:46 AM »
Didn't you pay for your unit Kirk? It would look like you we be legally elugable for a refund, or that could at least return your unit to functionality.
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« Reply #247 on: November 13, 2009, 10:23:28 AM »
I got my money back six months ago.  Now i have a unit with no computer controls that they told me I could have and do with it what I please.  Any ideas?
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« Reply #248 on: November 13, 2009, 07:49:48 PM »
How hard could it be to reverse engineer a computer operating system?  ;D

Actually, could you not set it up to run manually? Once it was lit, could it not be set to feed slowly? And then use a rheostat to control the auger speed to fuel it or increase the temps? I bet it can be done.
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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #249 on: November 14, 2009, 04:55:28 AM »
That sucks. After all that work. Got to be a way to make it work. Remember where theirs a will theirs a way ;D

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« Reply #250 on: November 14, 2009, 08:39:32 AM »
There seems to be some possible method of setting a feed system on thermostat, so when the burning temp fall below a given point the system kicks in to action.

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« Reply #251 on: November 14, 2009, 01:58:51 PM »
I'd think so too.  As long as it stayed cold there shouldn't be a problem, ie. the fire never went out.  Ignition from a cold start would take some thinking or planning ahead.  Maybe fire it once a day and run on backup once it went out?

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Re: Biomizer Sawdust Burner
« Reply #252 on: November 23, 2009, 03:17:12 PM »
Kirk I think a simple mechanical system with digital controls could be a fun and simple project.....JUST need to get aquanted with controllers and the like in your spare TIME :P

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« Reply #253 on: November 23, 2009, 03:52:12 PM »

 Gotta agree with Buzz.  Could y'all imagine what kind of contraptions he and I would have built, if I moved up your way, instead of down here  ::) ::) ::) >:D >:D >:D ;D ;D

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« Reply #254 on: November 24, 2009, 10:38:07 AM »
Maybe a water hydraulic actuated biomass feed wind electric powered coat rack..................  :o :o :o :laugh:

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« Reply #255 on: November 24, 2009, 01:12:20 PM »

 EXACTO  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

  I just can't believe the rig Kirk has, can't be modified. I think that WET sawdust was the big drawback with WM, and the Engineers. Electronical, I'm not, so controls would need to be laid out by someone smarter than me  ::) ::)

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« Reply #256 on: November 24, 2009, 01:34:46 PM »
The problem was more on the issue of safety.  I had melted wires around the blower.  I am sure it could be modified I just dont think I want to mess with it. 

Some folks tried wet sawdust, contrary to what they were instructed to do then complained when it didnt work. My system worked great with ALL the fuels I tried and I had even found some super fuels that had tons of potential. 

Maybe when the econmomy turns around (not going to happen in my life time) they can try again.
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« Reply #257 on: November 25, 2009, 06:23:48 PM »
wish I lived closer so we could mess around with it.... :)