alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description alt image description

Author Topic: firewood bugs  (Read 3889 times)

Offline mike p

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 899
  • Topics: 147
  • adicted to the aroma of oak
  • Referrals: 0
firewood bugs
« on: December 10, 2010, 02:58:18 PM »
tryed to sell some firewood the other day up near KC.MO (125 miles away) & was told (buy customer)were not to tranzport firewood that far for bug transfer
anyone else here this. it was with in my state
Eagle's Nest Tree farm & Sawmill
BSA Scoutmaster Retired
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from
 too much government.
   Thomas Jefferson 1802
 No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

   Thomas Jefferson

Offline Kirk Allen

  • Administrator
  • Old Timers Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 3083
  • Topics: 254
  • In God We Trust!
  • Referrals: 7
    • Vindicator Nozzles
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2010, 05:25:18 PM »
We cant transport ash out of the state but thats all I know of.
Integrity is doing the right thing when no one is watching!

Offline Frank Pender - AKA "Tail Gunner"

  • Administrator
  • Old Timers Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 1965
  • Topics: 145
  • Referrals: 11
    • www.TanglewoodTimber@aol.com
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2010, 05:55:40 PM »
Check with the local extension service or a state service forester for your state's rules and guidlines.  There could well be a hefty fine.

Offline mike p

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 899
  • Topics: 147
  • adicted to the aroma of oak
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2010, 06:04:48 PM »
well i only cut oak, hickory, walnut
Eagle's Nest Tree farm & Sawmill
BSA Scoutmaster Retired
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from
 too much government.
   Thomas Jefferson 1802
 No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

   Thomas Jefferson

Offline drobertson

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 236
  • Topics: 11
  • Country: 00
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2018, 08:58:04 AM »
 This is an old posted topic but a good one to have on record.  Not sure of all states, but would be inclined to think that all states have limitations on how firewood products are to be moved, if allowed at all. Mostly due to the transportation and redistribution of harmful insects.  Some localized restrictions may be for economic reasons, but irregardless, movement of such is most often met with strict guidelines as to what is considered local, ex, "no wood to be brought in from outside a "x"determined mileage distance."

Offline Ox

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 457
  • Topics: 16
  • Country: us
  • Trying to learn/remember something new every day.
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2018, 11:19:03 AM »
Here in NY I think it's 50 miles radius, if untreated.  All untreated firewood cannot come in to the state.  I don't know what treatment is, whether chemical bath or heat or what.
K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Stupid
Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without
1989 GMC 3500 4x4 diesel dump and plow truck, 1964 Oliver 1600 Industrial with Parsons loader and backhoe, 1986 Zetor 5211, Cat's Claw sharpener, single tooth setter, homemade Linn Lumber 1900 style mill, old tools

Offline starmac

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 281
  • Topics: 24
  • Country: us
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2018, 04:09:32 PM »
I have to ask, does the same limitations apply to logs? I mean think about it.
At one time the county in northern New Mexico tried to pass a law, that logs could not be sold to anyone out of the county, hmmm. there was no saw mills in Mora county, but 3 county commissioners were working on putting one in. lol

Offline furu

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 488
  • Topics: 18
  • Country: 00
  • Referrals: 4
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2018, 04:49:13 PM »
Does that surprise you that elected officials might be operating only in their best interest not the little guy.
Integrity is not just doing the right thing.
Integrity is not just doing the right thing when no one is looking.
Integrity is doing the right thing when no one else will ever even know.

Offline starmac

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 281
  • Topics: 24
  • Country: us
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2018, 05:15:04 PM »
Oh no, especially not in Mora county, we did get it stopped though, along with another law that would have made us deed all of our river front property over to the county, so the whole river could have public access. lol

Offline Ox

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 457
  • Topics: 16
  • Country: us
  • Trying to learn/remember something new every day.
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2018, 09:41:29 AM »
Man oh man!  I heard that New Mexico was kind of a blue state and socialist minded, but taking your river front land just for all to have access?  Hard pill to swallow.  It's good yall got it stopped.

Here in my county there are public access lots and ramps to the river and they're right next to bridges or a municipality, like the sewage treatment plant.  No need to steal peoples' land. 
K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Stupid
Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without
1989 GMC 3500 4x4 diesel dump and plow truck, 1964 Oliver 1600 Industrial with Parsons loader and backhoe, 1986 Zetor 5211, Cat's Claw sharpener, single tooth setter, homemade Linn Lumber 1900 style mill, old tools

Offline starmac

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 281
  • Topics: 24
  • Country: us
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2018, 03:50:44 PM »
Hell it was even tried in Texas, there was a movement to grab all the land along the red river that borders Oklohama, by the feds IIRC, it never happened . lol

Offline Ox

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 457
  • Topics: 16
  • Country: us
  • Trying to learn/remember something new every day.
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2018, 10:25:29 AM »
I can't believe all of that actually happened.  Just unreal.  Their greed and control issues know no bounds.
K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Stupid
Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without
1989 GMC 3500 4x4 diesel dump and plow truck, 1964 Oliver 1600 Industrial with Parsons loader and backhoe, 1986 Zetor 5211, Cat's Claw sharpener, single tooth setter, homemade Linn Lumber 1900 style mill, old tools

Offline starmac

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 281
  • Topics: 24
  • Country: us
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2018, 06:18:41 PM »
Well, it didn't happen, but it wasn't for the politicians lack of trying.
Just the fact that elected officials can think of some of this stuff to start with is alarming.

Offline Ox

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 457
  • Topics: 16
  • Country: us
  • Trying to learn/remember something new every day.
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2018, 10:51:14 AM »
That's what I mean.  I can't believe the idea of grabbing land and that they actually tried it happened. 

My father said something once long ago that stuck with me:  "lawmakers only have a job if they keep coming up with new laws".  This might explain at least a few of the gems out there.
K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Stupid
Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without
1989 GMC 3500 4x4 diesel dump and plow truck, 1964 Oliver 1600 Industrial with Parsons loader and backhoe, 1986 Zetor 5211, Cat's Claw sharpener, single tooth setter, homemade Linn Lumber 1900 style mill, old tools

Offline drobertson

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 236
  • Topics: 11
  • Country: 00
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2018, 02:11:05 PM »
Speaking of land grabs, now Its been quite a few years back now, and I honestly don't remember all the details, but a similar thing happened out this way.  It now is call the National Scenic Riverways, and they did in fact grab land on both sides of the Jacks Fork River, a small spring feed tributary to the Current river that is spring feed as well.  There are now several state parks in and around these beautiful springs.  The land grab if I can even call it that has had some very positive impacts on the adjacent micro environments, where all logging, and certain river accesses were restricted.  The down side to this is the land is now under federal protection, and although there are good checks and balances, there is also a fair share of waste..within the boundaries, everything is to lay as is. There can be no removal of wind falls, which after one particular storm, there were tens of thousands of bdft'g in timber that laid waste. Not to mention many primitive access points now off limits due to the road blockage. No equipment allowed in within the boundaries of the National Scenic Riverways.  With the exception of open and functioning state parks.  I failed to mention, our area is called the "Ozarks National Scenic Riverway" and it is a beautiful place to visit.

Offline Ox

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 457
  • Topics: 16
  • Country: us
  • Trying to learn/remember something new every day.
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2018, 10:10:46 AM »
Almost a double edged sword, ain't it?

I just wish people were more responsible when allowed freedom on lands.  Many who don't own any land will trash it either from ignorance, laziness, or outright disrespect.  Hell, there's a bunch that will destroy anything that isn't theirs because..........?
K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Stupid
Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without
1989 GMC 3500 4x4 diesel dump and plow truck, 1964 Oliver 1600 Industrial with Parsons loader and backhoe, 1986 Zetor 5211, Cat's Claw sharpener, single tooth setter, homemade Linn Lumber 1900 style mill, old tools

Offline starmac

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 281
  • Topics: 24
  • Country: us
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2018, 08:38:53 PM »
No doubt, when I was a kid, in Eastern New Mexico, you didn't have to ask any farmer or rancher to hunt on his land, this was mid 70's but about that time folks started shooting the irrigation motors, the batteries on them and any equipment left in a field. They would catch some once in a while, but the problem just got worse.
I hat a thief, but would have rather seen them steal a battery once in a while if they needed one, than just to  shoot them for fun.

Now you have to know pretty well to be allowed access to their place, then a few years back folks that did get access, or just tresspassed started finding artifacts, if they turned them in, sometimes the government would stop the farmer from farming his own place.

Offline drobertson

  • Senior Contributor
  • ****
  • Posts: 236
  • Topics: 11
  • Country: 00
  • Referrals: 0
Re: firewood bugs
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2018, 09:25:35 PM »
Ox, it is a double edge for sure.  It's kinda like the ole saying "give'm an inch, and they'll take a mile"  there are still folks around here that know nothing about "leaving a place better than you find it"  one such place just up river from the start of the OSRW, and it's private, but adjacent to a county road, actually its a pretty common ford, and was in the early days the main road.  Well, being somewhat good friends with the owner, I asked if it would be ok to camp with the family for Labor day, (this a few years back.) He obliged, well I already knew it was a mess. Fire pits full of debris, taking me pretty much a day to clean so kids could play. It was to be a four family camp. The last day of the week end folks started showing up like they owned it,  rude to boot, I do believe this is one of the reasons the Feds let some of the accesses be cut off.  Bringing hunting rights into the conversation,,mercy this is a bad wound for so, so many folks, same scenario, but now with the added weapons violations, multiple infractions of differing peoples, and the vandalized properties, trash, man you name it, many folks are ungrateful, disrespectful, unlawful, and dirty.  To get back on topic, these folks may be considered worse than the freakin' bugs that may or may not come in with certain wood.