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Author Topic: Valley Pondarosa Pine  (Read 57379 times)

Offline Frank Pender - AKA "Tail Gunner"

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2008, 07:30:43 AM »
Have you ever tried growing some?

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2008, 08:01:25 AM »
No I havent.  I will do some checking on the zone I live in versus campatability and let you know. 
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2008, 09:36:16 AM »
Let me know real soon.  They need to be in the ground.

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2008, 05:12:29 PM »
How would they be shipped Frank? I wouldn't mind planting a few dozen to see how they would do....just for fun.
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2008, 07:07:14 PM »
Jay, I would wrap them in plastic bags along with some official Tanglewood Timber Tree Farm Pacific Northwest rain wet sawdust, then in a cardboard box, lined with plastic.

I just completed planting another 50 trees and have 75 to a hundred left.  They cost me about $.35 each.

If anyone else is interested in some Pine, please let me know soon, as I have to get the remainer in the ground in the next couple of days.

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2008, 10:00:16 PM »
Mr. Allen, your 30 Douglas Fir plug seedlings are on their way.  They left here around 10:30 this morning, via UPS.  I was told they should arrive next Friday.  They are wrapped in a heavy carboard box, inside of a clear plast bag.  They then are in 3 plastic bags of 10 each.

Shipping was $26.46.

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2008, 08:30:49 AM »
Your a Good Man Frank! 
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2008, 10:33:33 AM »
Hey ya Jay, what say ye on the pine?  I have to get the remaining in today.  I do not want to pull any up after I plant them.

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2008, 01:25:08 PM »
Well..I think they will grow here, but fruit trees are on the agenda for the only spot we could plant them...bu I was considering it. Thanks for the offer though.
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2008, 02:04:11 PM »
They are all planted, Pine and Fir, for this year.

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2008, 05:32:25 PM »
Just in time for the dry weather!
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2008, 08:48:37 PM »
Dry weather?  What planet are you responding from, this afternoon.  Right now it is blacker than a cat to the South of here and it is going to get really wet.  Been spitting all afternoon.  Just finished reloading the kiln for another 2 week charge of Douglas Fir 5/4 x 4 for flooring and paneling.   This load is all 12' long material.  Last load was all 10' long.  About 1,500 board feet.

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2008, 03:08:11 PM »
Got an order for 250 Doug Fir seedlings to go to Arizona.  I have packed about 190 so far and will do the remainder in just a bit.  Had an e-mail from an area just Northwest of me about 20 miles for 500 more.  I might have to go in the business for next year. ;D

In fact, the Arizona order may lead into more varities than just the Fir for the coming year.   ;D

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2008, 05:30:43 PM »
When you are planting, and I know this probably is dependent on soil conditions, etc., what kind of spacing or area to you try to maintain? I have seen tree plantations in Louisiana and Mississippi where they looked to be pretty densely  planted.
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2008, 10:17:22 PM »
I had the planters, on this planting, space them 8 to 10 feet, Jay.  I tried to space the pine on a spacing of no less than 8 feet.  I have a great deal of deer damage around here and chose that distance for helping keep the loss spread out.  With a Southern land exposure being another for more direct sunlight as another factor in loss control.

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2008, 07:26:09 PM »
Frank,

What kind of time frame are you looking at for financial and/or silvicultural maturity on the Pine and DF?
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2008, 11:59:55 PM »
Adk, the first thinning will probably take place in about 25 years.  I will be 88 and out there with my 044 and its 36" bar, cutting away. ;D
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2008, 08:11:45 AM »
Frank my grandfather was still bailing hay at 92 so running a saw at 88 is not to hard to believe!
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2008, 09:20:37 AM »
Ya, and my biggest problem will be Alice out there trying to watch over me, unlike now.  Now she leaves me alone.  I just hope it stays that way at 88. :angel:

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2008, 01:16:37 PM »
Frank,

Will there be any merchantable timber at the 25 year thinning?
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2008, 10:18:54 PM »
Adk, yes there wil some merch timber at 25 years.  How much, I am not sure on the Pine.  As to the Douglas Fir, there may be as much as 25 to 30 percent that will be merch at that age.  Some of the determination may well be the market at that time.  Right now, the market is very hot for that age of material, in our area.  It is called chip and saw.  The price is by the ton, at $56 last week.  I have not checked this weeks prices.

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2008, 07:42:01 AM »
Your lucky to get $7 a ton for chip/pulp around these parts.
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2008, 09:40:36 AM »
Got the Firs today Frank!  Thanks!
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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2008, 12:26:10 PM »

Were they in pretty good shape?  I hope so. ;D

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Re: Valley Pondarosa Pine
« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2008, 02:17:27 PM »
Havent broke open the box yet.  They should be fine.  Temps are 35 today so figured I would plant them in a day or so when its a "little" warmer.
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