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Offline Kirk Allen

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Whats happening in this country?
« on: January 28, 2009, 05:52:17 PM »
We got 8" of snow last night and pretty much everything got drifted in during the windy morning. 

We have an elderly couple that we have taken to the hospital in the Ambulance several times and since they have no family at all I try to check in on them from time to time to see if they need anything. 

Today was a shock. They have young kids who live on either side of them, across the street from them, and numerous other kids down the block.  I went to see if they needed plowed out and sure enough, they were socked in big time. 

The Village plow buried their drive entrance and sidewalk, then on pass #2 they built a burm in front of the house where the home care nurse parks.  I ended up spending 4 hours shoveling out everything for them and even though kids were running all around not a single one had offered to shovel their drive, either for money or for free. 

These kids had all day off since school was closed and instead of getting out and making money shoveling people out, they played games inside where it was warm.  When their parents got home they got kicked outside to shovel for their parents, which was about the time I was half done.   

I asked several if they wanted to help shovel out those who couldnt and the answer was no!  I offered them money and they refused that as well.

What on earth is happening to our younger generation :(    I understand how kids may not understand the importance of helping out our seniors but why on earth they wouldnt even work for money is beyond me.  Somewhere there has to be a great big disconnect. ???
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2009, 08:08:19 PM »
I'll tell you what it is, their parents have given them so much without question that they expect that from eveyone; even the government.  Idea of intitlement comes to mind.  I had better quit, before I lose my "cool". (pun intended)

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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2009, 08:43:56 PM »
I have to agree with kids being given too much.  If their parents give them everything they want, why do they need to work?  It wasn't long ago a friend was telling me he was trying to hire some college kids and they wouldn't work for less than $15/hour and thought they were worth more.  When I was in college, I took what was offered and was grateful to have the work.

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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2009, 12:51:45 AM »
It's a learned thing.  Why didn't their parents get out there and shovel?  Were they teaching?  I always figured it was my job to educate my children, teachers were just the hire help, and some earned there money.
There just too much money around for it to be an incentive.
There's too many cheap toys their parents buy them or are given them as presents.  And then if they want to go to school they're given grants, loans and food stamps. 

There's too much welfare so you don't have to worry about helping neighbors in need, the goverment will do it, that's governments job.  Right?
There is no appreciation of what a dollars worth because a dollar isn't worth anything.

There are more mothers and fathers than there are parents.

Kirk you can appreciate this:  There are a lot of E-9's in the Air Force and damn few Chiefs.




 


 
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2009, 02:53:54 PM »
Kirk you can appreciate this:  There are a lot of E-9's in the Air Force and damn few Chiefs.

You can say that again!  :(
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2009, 01:23:44 PM »
What on earth is happening to our younger generation :(    I understand how kids may not understand the importance of helping out our seniors but why on earth they wouldnt even work for money is beyond me. 

IMHO it's a result of generations of kids being told they can "do better" added to the 'cyber generation' effect.

As a result most people 40 or under believe 'manual labor' is the name of the Mexican or Cuba fellow you hire to do the work for you.

I had this experience several times first hand recently, in the first case, one of my employees (an office worker mind you) was asked to make a pick up while he was out running an errand. He called to the say the company would not load him, and "someone has to be sent to load the truck, I'm just driving, not loading". He was supposed to be getting 20 bags of ice melter, each one weighing 20 pounds. 400 pounds in total, packaged in bags with handles!!!

In the other instance, I was going up my road in my plow truck and was waved down by a new'ish (4 years) neighbor up the road a mile. They had just returned from 2 months in Mexico to find the guy who was supposed to be plowing their driveway hadn't done it. Surprise, surprise, cash upfront and an absentee client.....  I said I was busy but would open the lane and parking area enough they could get in and settled. I did. When hse asked "how much" I said there was no charge, I was doing them a favor. I thought she was going to fall over!!

Charge a senior citizen neighbor for a 2 minute thing, likely!!!!

Rant over.  >:(
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2009, 06:22:10 PM »
yea my oldest son (28) an eagle scout is constantly telling me about the lack of work ethic of his pierrs. i appoligized to him for driving so hard & he said "that is what made me who i am"
now my stepson i inherted at 15 thats a hole different ballgame
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2009, 10:05:27 PM »
Mike P, good for the Eagle Scout.  The other boy has yet to learn to pick it with the chickens.  My two sons had to learn to pick it with the chickens and the horses, around here.  That have thanked me a number of times for helping them learn the value of work.  Ones a $6,500,000 roofing business and is so busy he hardly has time to sleep or eat.  The other is in Maylasia setting up a new biodiversity plant, establishing the same kinds of values in the people he is charged to create the plant. 

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2009, 12:35:49 AM »

Murf said:
"I had this experience several times first hand recently, in the first case, one of my employees (an office worker mind you) was asked to make a pick up while he was out running an errand. He called to the say the company would not load him, and "someone has to be sent to load the truck, I'm just driving, not loading". He was supposed to be getting 20 bags of ice melter, each one weighing 20 pounds. 400 pounds in total, packaged in bags with handles!!!"

Murf, do I understand you have one less employee?
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2009, 08:41:33 AM »
He better answer yes to that one ;D
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2009, 09:07:46 PM »
No, you could not let someone go for such a simple reason.  The aclu would probably step in, or some other bleeding heart group, telling you, you cannot do such as thing.  >:(

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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2009, 07:25:37 AM »
I WAS maintince manager for an over the road trucking firm till my first heart attack at 45, i had a night mechanic age 21 that di.dnt seem to get much done he was self reglated(suppervized) on this job before i came to work there had been on this assignment for 2 years  . so one night i walked in the back door & watched nothing moved no activity opon opening my office door i find him watching porn on the co. computter so i fired him , he say that i cant fire him that hes been here longer than i & the generar manager 's son is his roommate
so i sent him off & i pulled his shift that night
the next day i get chewed out for not following procedure to fire some one . it takes 3 wright ups & the the next time a meeting with the general manager
the next day hes back on job & laughing in my face. they did change the lock on the computer passwording
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2009, 08:01:46 AM »
It's a learned thing. 
There just too much money around for it to be an incentive.
There's too many cheap toys their parents buy them or are given them as presents.  And then if they want to go to school they're given grants, loans and food stamps. 

There's too much welfare so you don't have to worry about helping neighbors in need, the goverment will do it, that's governments job.  Right?
There is no appreciation of what a dollars worth because a dollar isn't worth anything.

There are more mothers and fathers than there are parents.

Kirk you can appreciate this:  There are a lot of E-9's in the Air Force and damn few Chiefs.




 


 
So good!!! It makes me think about our current "Great Depression"
What a joke!!! People have absolutely no fram of refrence.....as a nation we dont know what truly hard times are....people are not starving in the streets and dead bodies are not laying around in the streets...my point spoiled rotten , Blessed beyond anything ever on the face of this earth...people are crying out...because they cant buy as MANY treats.....they are not dying......ahhhhhh :D

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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2009, 11:10:45 AM »
Murf, do I understand you have one less employee?

Two employees less actually Steve.

The one I mentioned was sent to make the pick up because the guy who's job it was to do the snow removal, etc., around the shop and office wouldn't open the door of the machine to clear the little bit of hard pack the machine left when using it to clear the walk from the parking area to the front door.

This all happened 2 days before I returned from a break down south. The others knew better than to have to tell me that story after I found the walkway a sheet of ice myself!!  >:(

I brought both into my office separately and asked for their side of the story, one was told he was being transferred to a new job, outside doing field service, not in the heated shop, he quit the next day, the other was told in no uncertain terms the company was a team, if someone didn't want to pull their weight by helping out in a pinch, they obviously didn't want to be part of the team. He quit a few months later.

The older guys are always pushing the younger ones when told they can't do something, the older guys favourite line is "No problem, call the office and tell Murf, he'll come and do it for you." On more than one occasion they have, and I did.  ;)

I have, as an interesting side note, that of all the younger guys I've hired, I've never had a problem with any that were 'farm kids', it was only the 'city' or 'suburbs' kids that didn't know how to work.
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 08:11:52 AM »
has anyone else seen the comercial about being thankfull for our country, & then ends with a view from behined a speaker/leader in front of croud with the wording
be thankfull for our king

i wasnt paying to much attention to it, just a comerical. till i glempsed this ending.
i am concerened the idea of accepentce of a king over an elected pres. this can start influenceing our youth to the idea of its ok.
i appoligize for the wording here im having a hard time putting this in to words
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2009, 09:13:29 AM »
Havent seen that one and hope I never do.  It might push me over the edge.   8)
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2009, 04:32:25 PM »
well i have seen it 2 times at around 5 am on nbc but no onelse ive talked to has seen it
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2009, 01:41:55 AM »
I have a son who could not get into the state university because his G.P.A. of 3.25 was not high enough due to college requirements to fill seats with hisapanics regardless of citizenship.

He instead has served in U.S. Marines and is due to get out this summer; he plans on taking firefighting school and will also have to take paramedic school to meet State requirements..... which obviously will still not be enough based upon the language he has learned in the country he just gave his all for ???

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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2009, 07:30:30 AM »
If he can get on with Tualitan Valley Fire & Rescue he would be in good hands! 

Tell him Thank You for his service!  I do appreciate it!
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2009, 07:05:47 PM »
1. In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a Congress.
-- John Adams

2. Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But then I repeat myself.
-- Mark Twain

3. I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-- Winston Churchill

4. A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
-- George Bernard Shaw

5. Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
-- James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994)

6. Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.
-- Douglas Casey, Classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown University

7. Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
-- P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

8. Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.
-- Frederic Bastiat, French Economist (1801-1850)

9. Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan (1986)

10. I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.
-- Will Rogers

11. In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764)

12. No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
-- Mark Twain (1866)

13. Talk is cheap...except when Congress does it.
-- Anonymous

14. The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
-- Ronald Reagan

15. The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
-- Winston Churchill

16. There is no distinctly native American criminal class--save Congress.
-- Mark Twain

17. What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.
-- Edward Langley, Artist (1928-1995)

18. A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-- Thomas Jefferson

19. The biggest difference between Republicans and Democrats is the spelling.
-- Anonymous
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2009, 11:10:51 PM »
Democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on whats for dinner.

and a republic is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.....only the sheep has a gun.

Chose your words carefully, they control your thinking.
Interesting perspective about "Civil Rights".

Civil Rights are rights guarenteed by law as opposed to Inalienable Rights that are given by God and not subject to law. 
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How many zeros in a billion???
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2009, 07:52:07 PM »
How many zeros in a billion???

This is too true to be funny...

The next time you hear a politician use the
word 'billion' in a casual manner, think about whether you want the 'politicians' spending YOUR tax money. A billion is a difficult number to comprehend,

but one advertising agency did a good job of

putting that figure into some perspective in

one of it's releases.


 

A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.   

B A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.   

C A billion hours ago our ancestors were

living in the Stone Age.
 

D A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.


 

E. A billion dollars ago was only  8 hours and 20 minutes,

at the rate our government  is spending it.
 

While this thought is still fresh in our brain...

let's take a look at New Orleans ....

It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division.


 

Louisiana Senator,  Mary Landrieu (D)

is presently asking Congress for

250 BILLION DOLLARS

to rebuild New Orleans .. Interesting number...

what does it mean?   

A Well... if you are one of the 484,674 residents of New Orleans

(every man, woman, and child)

you each get $516,528.
 

B Or... if you have one of the 188,251 homes in

New Orleans , your home gets $1,329,787.


 

C.Or... if you are a family of four... your family gets $2,066,012.


 

Imagine, now $700 billion bailing out banks in the US .  That's enough to fund complete medical care for every man, woman and child currently alive in the US for 11 years!!

50 billion to bail out the auto industry???

< HELLO!!! >

Are all your calculators broken??   

Accounts Receivable Tax

Building Permit Tax

CDL License Tax

Cigarette Tax

Corporate Income Tax

Dog License Tax

Federal Income Tax , Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

Fishing License Tax

Food License Tax

Fuel Permit Tax

Gasoline Tax

Hunting License Tax

Inheritance Tax

Inventory Tax

IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)

IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)

Liquor Tax

Luxury Tax

Marriage License Tax

Medicare Tax

Property y Tax

Real Estate Tax

Service charge taxes

Social Security Tax

Road Usage Tax (Truckers)

Sales Taxes

Recreational Vehicle Tax

School Tax

State Income Tax

State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)

Telephone Federal Excise Tax

Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax upon Tax

Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax

Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax

Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax

Telephone State and Local Tax

Telephone Usage Charge Tax

Utility Tax

Vehicle License Registration Tax

Vehicle Sales Tax

Watercraft Registration Tax

Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

Income Tax

Everything Tax   

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY???   

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago...

and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.   

We had absolutely no national debt...

We had the largest middle class in the world..

and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.   

What happened?

Can you spell 'politicians!'

And I still have to  press '1'

for English.   

I hope this goes around the US

at least 1 billion times
 

What the heck happened???
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Re: Whats happening in this country?
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2009, 08:44:09 PM »
Just had to get my blood boiling didnt you  >:(
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2009, 10:47:13 AM »
well i thought the figgers on new orleans was a shock
with climate changing and the fact it s mostly under sea level it would make more sence to make it a wet land for wildlife & relocate to higher ground
might be cheaper in the long run , i bet it wood cost less than $1,329,787 per home & thats what hes asking for
less mold , healthyer for the residents
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2009, 09:13:23 PM »
Back during the early years of the Great Depression, then President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of all illegal aliens in order to make the jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work. Approximately one-million Mexicans were sent home during this endeavor.

Once again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 1.3 million Mexican nationals (called ‘Operation Wetback’) in order that returning American WWII and Korean veterans had a better chance at jobs.

If America could deport the illegal invaders back then, they can sure do it today! Americans were disappointed (to say the least) with President George W Bush and his reluctance to deal with the massive problem of illegal Mexicans in the country.   I'm curious to see what Mr. "We Need a Change", Obama is going to do  The link below gives a complete explanation of the operation that many of us may have forgotten over the years. Federal Observer Articles - Federal Observer
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2009, 06:26:37 PM »
Mike, we need the link...........PLEASE!  Its probably more ammo for us to push for fixing things!
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2009, 10:06:27 AM »

If America could deport the illegal invaders back then, they can sure do it today!

The unfortunate reality of it is though, that none of today's 'young' (under maybe 40) are willing to do the jobs the illegals are more than happy to do.

Until such time as welfare and the other hand-outs are far less than somebody can make working at even a menial job it won't, and probably can't, happen.

Sad but true.......
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2009, 10:14:48 AM »
I pray every day I am wrong but I feel as if our Country has been lost to the socialist ways of our past enemies and we are seeing the beginning of our end. 

We hear it all over in just about every setting.  People are scared for this country and its future.  More and more taking up arms and stock piling ammo as is evident by yesterdays broadcast on how many hundreds of millions of dollars worth of AR type weapons are back ordered.  Guns sales are at this countrys all time high, everywhere! 

Word this morning from political circles in this state is that the new Attorney General, (who announced yesterday he is pushing for a complete ban on assualt weapons to help Mexico?) is not only going to bann them, but will include a confiscation of them.   >:( >:( >:( >:(


 
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2009, 04:34:00 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2009, 12:27:35 PM »
What's wrong? 
This may simplistic but I think the problem is Congress isn't following the rules and we have let them because of perceived self benefits.  They've used the divide and conquer concept.  No big affronts (at first) to any one thing and thus the populace is so divided there is no coordination of efforts to correct them.  You can't just stand on a principals such as "it's against the law" (Constitution) or you're branded as a radical.  (Ron Paul?) 

In a chain of logic one wrong step and you can prove anything.  When you get to an erroneous conclusion you tend to look at the  preceding step to figure out what happened.  The conclusion my be so far removed from the error step that you never connect it to an absurd conclusion.
It's like a forest infested with multiple ailments, such as bugs, fungus, and erosion and we're arguing about individual tree problems.  The forest is sick!  The bugs are only symptoms. 

 Look at this (have some time):  http://www.article-5.org/  Kirk, you'll like the headline.
 
It appears the states on several occasions have called for a Constitutional Convention as per The Constitution and Congress has ignored them. Recent ones are Term Limits and A Balanced budget.  The call is still active.

There is a total assault on The Constitution and the whole of the powers that be don't want to give up their control.  Historically that's the nature of any government.  That's what they do.  The founders knew that and put in numerous checks and balances.  Which are being eroded away as we sit and watch.

Recent examples:
 The first Bailout Failed to Pass the House.  That should have been the end of   it. The Senate took up the issue, passed a bill and sent it to the House where it  passed.  Yet The Constitution says ONLY the House can initiate money bills?  They did it with smoke and mirrors.

 The Supreme court has ruled that gun ownership is an individual right knocking down DC gun laws yet DC is at it again trying to pass restrictive gun laws.  Yet Congress, sworn to defend The Constitution, is charged solely with the governance of DC, does nothing.  Abortion is the law of the land because of a Supreme Court decision, why not lack of gun control.

The Constitution has been called a living document by people that deem it open for interpretation.  What it should mean is it's alive and well and means what it says.  Next time you hear that term ask how the speaker defines living.

 DC has been granted representation in Congress.  The Constitution says ONLY states may have representatives.  Numerous suprem Court decisions support that.  An amendment to The Constitution allowing the representation was proposed and was not ratified by the states.  Doesn't that make it the law of the land.  Yet Congress passes this law when they are supposed to be defending The Constitution.  (Bought off the Republicans with an offer of adding one Representative for Utah). 

We argue about how taxing the rich more or less.  Maybe the questions should be whether to tax or not.

We argue about whether to spend money on food stamps or to fund schools.  Maybe we should ask whether the Federal government belongs in the welfare or education business at all?

The States moan because the Feds have their hands in everything and yet will not require Congress to live up the Constitution as written for fear of loosing Federal monies.  This is like a drug addict not turning in his supplier for cheating him because he'll loose his drugs.

As a side note:  Several of the state Governors are not signing up for the some of the stimulus funding.  They are being condemned by (mostly) Democratic forces for letting their principles get in the way of taking the money.  Without principles what have got left? 
 
 

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« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2009, 03:57:17 PM »
Went to Alex Va today where I milled the sweet gum and white oak logs this week. Collected a check from the homeowner and headed to the bank to cash it. ;D Got to the bank and gess what. Trere were about 20 people out front and a cop at the door telling every one the bank is closed today :o I guess I'll try the Leesburg branch monday :-\

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« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2009, 07:10:33 PM »
The Obama Budget will represent an end to small businesses in America as we know it today. As every day passes, the more I am convinced he will destroy this nation.
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« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2009, 07:23:28 PM »
Jay I couldnt agree with you more. 

Obama stated that he knows his oposition is preparing for a fight on the budget and his response should be of major concern for us all.  He sated "So am I!" 

He is willing to FIGHT for his budget that includes more pork than ever seen in the history of this country.  His own VP has close to 100 million of pork projects in it alone >:(

Business who Gross 250K will suffer from the increased tax rate and more people will loose there jobs and benefits because of it.

This administration could not have ever understood economics 101 >:(
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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2009, 09:16:06 AM »
There will be no exemptions from the Obama tax plan....farmers, $150 per cow per year, $87 per calf.....hamburger will cost $12 a pound.

The ignorance of people amaze me.....to fund his socialist dream, every American will pay the tax increases, directly or indirectly. Even us dumb contractors know when costs go up, raise prices....the consumer pays the increase. Maybe that is part of the "old" math....not Obama math.  :(
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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2009, 09:19:22 AM »
His first tax increase is Cigarettes. They go up $.65 a pack April 1st. 

Here in Illinois they are talking about raising the gas tax by $.38 a gallon >:(
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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2009, 09:51:12 AM »
im trying to find the link
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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2009, 09:54:39 AM »
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=11145
Back during the early years of the Great Depression, then President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of all illegal aliens in order to make the jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work. Approximately one-million Mexicans were sent home during this endeavor.

Once again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 1.3 million Mexican nationals (called ‘Operation Wetback’) in order that returning American WWII and Korean veterans had a better chance at jobs.

If America could deport the illegal invaders back then, they can sure do it today! Americans were disappointed (to say the least) with President George W Bush and his reluctance to deal with the massive problem of illegal Mexicans in the country.   I'm curious to see what Mr. "We Need a Change", Obama is going to do  The link below gives a complete explanation of the operation that many of us may have forgotten over the years. Federal Observer Articles - Federal Observer



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« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2009, 11:29:39 AM »
Stock up on food & ammo! Tuff times are coming!
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« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2009, 10:44:26 PM »
A lot of the economy will go underground.  Cash only please and thus no taxes paid.  We've always had some of that but it's going to increase.  That idea is a goodly portion of why the drug business is so lucrative--no taxes. 
First move of many is to buy over the internet avoiding state sales taxes or stepping over a border to a state that has no sales tax to buy larger items.  Flea market sales of used items don't generally charge sales tax and will be a growth industry.  Chances are states will start watching that area though.  http://www.timesleader.com/news/20090227_27fleagold_ed_ART.html

Both ways are reducing the government take which actually makes the (their?)problem worse. 
The people will survive just some better than others.  Probably see more and more people offer to work for cash.  We've already got that with the illegals I'm sure.
 
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« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2009, 09:35:39 AM »
You are correct on the selling of items and services for work.  You can see some of that on Craig's List.  Some of the items are hand tools for shops, etc., some farm tools, (small) and less used machinery type things.  Scrap dealers are also posting on the site.  Less now as scrap metal prices have fallen.

A friend of mine that teaches gun safety has seen a marked increase in the number of people taking his class, as well.

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« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2009, 08:26:19 PM »
Attorney General Eric Holder’s recent comments on the possibility of the Obama Administration seeking to reinstate a ban on sales of assault weapons.

at least some of our congress man are working against this

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ok02_boren/2009_02_26_assault_weapons.html

theres quight a few dem on our side . check out the hole article

The Second Amendment Task Force was created in the 111th Congress to monitor legislation regarding the Second Amendment in the U.S. House of Representatives.  It acts as a unified and proactive force to promote legislation that protects the Second Amendment and to fight legislation that poses a threat to citizens’ Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

The bipartisan task force includes a group of Members from a wide spectrum of backgrounds that represent a large geographical area:

Democrats
Rep. Dan Boren (D-OK), Task Force Co-Chair
Rep. Jason Altmire (D-PA)
Rep. Travis Childers (D-MS)
Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D-IN)
Rep. Jim Matheson (D-UT)
Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC)

Republicans
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), Task Force Co-Chair
Rep. Rep. Rob Bishop (R-UT)
Rep. John Carter (R-TX)
Rep. John Boozman (R-AR)
Rep. Steve King (R-IA)
Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA)

this is just part of the info
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« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2009, 09:06:37 PM »
I was told today that IMR, a brand of gun powder is temporarily not available to the general public because of overwhelming demand from amunition manufactures.  They said the current demand is 10X greater than they have ever seen in the history of powder sales in the US. 

Isnt it interesting with one industry growing by 100% in less than 60 days, providing jobs, tax's and security, we have a president that wants to destroy it. >:(
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« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2009, 11:37:31 PM »
Heads up!  One board I'm on with some very savvy investors says we have gone over a tipping point and as of today the Dow is on a fast track down with very few, if any, short lived rallies for quite awhile.  One guru has talked about people with 401K's  that are now 201K's and soon to be 101K's.

I've never seen so much doom and gloom.  I think part of the current problems is the rapid communication the average person has with the internet.  Word gets out pretty fast.  It's a fact that peoples attitudes are a big part of any economic development and boy is there some bad attitudes out there.

The 2nd amendment isn't the only part of The Constitution under attack, it's just been the only one the NRA is defending.   
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« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2009, 01:45:24 AM »
The local Economics Proffesor at the University predicted a dow below 4000 by March.  The scare part is he predicted that last June!  :(
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