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Sharpening/Setting procedures
« on: May 26, 2011, 07:19:58 AM »
Sharpener and setter?  Check.
Elementary knowledge of how to use them?  Check. 
Practical experience?  Not Check.

So, I was looking for manuals for my sharpener and setter yesterday on Wood Mizer site and found Nada.  BUT...found a few articles in their online magazine.  Please check out the following link and then tell me what y'all do out in the field. 
http://www.woodmizer-planet.com/index.pl?act=PRODUCT&id=154

Told Willie about this article and he says that sounds like alot of steps.  Remember, Willie is milling...I'm sharpening.  But, I figure y'all have done this for longer than we have and you have found a 'system' that works.  I want the practical side of this process. 

I have an elderly gentleman who offered his expertise to me when we got a sharpener but I've not been able to get him on the phone for the past three days!  I'm hoping he's ok.  If I get hold of him, I'm supposed to go to his house and he'll teach me what he's learned in the past 20+ yrs of milling, sharpening/setting.  In the meantime....I await more instruction from y'all.   ;D

By the way...have I told y'all that you are all the BEST?!!!   8)
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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2011, 09:33:05 AM »

 First thing is, What species do y'all saw mostly ??

 From my experience, I set to .022 or 22 thousandths. That's a good average. As you sharpen, you get down to .020. Second, maybe, or, for sure third sharpen, after setting. IF you set first, you won't get a "Bad" set, from the burr left from the grind.

 On Real sappy wood, I go up to .025 or 25 thousandths. That's pretty wide set and might spill some excess dust. I also use a little more water on the wider set, to help keep the blade cooler from dragging through the dust.

 Second, with enough blades, you can keep hardwood blades separate from the softwood blades, if you cut both types of wood. Don't need but a few put aside.

 You need to turn the blade inside out, if you use a single tooth setter. Set the teeth, then, turn the blade right side out and set again. THEN sharpen. If you don't have the magnet set up, just start at the weld OR mark a spot with a piece of soapstone, welders marker .

 I always try to do the blades that pretty well match in tooth height. As you get experience, you can see that at a quick glance. That way, you avoid constantly changing stone wheel height-depth.

 Is the wheel set at the correct face angle ?? I set mine at 10°. That's 10° LESS than 90°, as the stone passes the face of the tooth, so it, slightly undercuts the tooth, as it drops down into the gullet.

 I would adjust the blade advance rod, so, the wheel just barely touched the tooth, as it dropped into the gullet, and, just barely touched the gullet and back of the tooth as it raised back up. If you don't really dull your blades before changing, this might be all you need. If not, just a very fine adjustment, and, you are ready for the final grind. Just inspect with a magnifying glass for small cracks in the gullet. If you can't grind them out without a really deep grind, paint the blade and use it for adjusting the machine when you change stones.  BE SURE to get the stone shaping tool and use it regularly, to keep the rounded side of the wheel in top shape.

 Do you know how to turn and fold blades, without all the scars taking shape ??? ??? ???  If not, Google it or watch WM Videos. WEAR GOOD GLOVES, and DO NOT throw the blade to open it.

 The other guy may do things differently than I do, so, take that into consideration, and plan to destroy one blade as you start up.  The better job you do with Blade maintenance, the better lumber and easier sawing, will keep your interest and maybe add customers.  I've seen some really bad lumber come off band mills.

 Blade setting or BORRRRING.  ;D ;D ;D

 Good luck.    Harold

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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2011, 08:07:21 AM »
Harold...Your posts are NEVER boring!!!   :D

Waiting for Willie to get in here so I can read all this to him.  We sharpened two blades yesterday.  He had the sharpener set up, he thought.  I tweaked a bit while I was waiting for him to get finished at mill.  Between the two of us we messed up a few teeth on the first blade.   :-[  I had set the face angle as there are aluminum plates to help with that and Mr. Durham showed me how to use those. Mr. Durham said he thought it was set to 7.  TK tech said their blades were 10's so I set it to 10.   I remembered y'all saying the gullet really needs to be ground out and attempted to get the stone adjusted to do so.  When Willie got there the blade advance rod was hitting the stone.  (I realized that changing the angle will change the spacing between stone and rod.)  Willie found the adjust for that and did so.  I THINK we finally got it fairly well adjusted and did ok on second blade.  Personally, (not knowing what the heck I'm doing), I'm not satisfied with how that second blade ground.  It seemed the stone would go up the tooth, drop into gullet but skip the last part of the gullet...then back up the next tooth.  I inspected that second blade and saw no skips.  Listening to the grind and watching the sparks though...it seemed that way to me.  Shouldn't the sound of the grind be pretty constant?  (don't know if I'm asking that right.) And...from what I can see/hear...the stone is totally missing the the front of the tooth (on way down to gullet).  Should I be able to see evidence of grind on TOTAL surface of teeth?

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If not, just a very fine adjustment, and, you are ready for the final grind.
Final grind?  Are you grinding...inspecting for cracks...and then grinding again? (fine tuning)  I cleaned blade with diesel, put on sharpener, inspected for cracks (no mag. glass), sharpened. 

Article I read on Wood Mizer site AND the salesman I talked to yesterday suggested grind first and then use a wooden block or a good stick to rub over teeth to de-burr.  I told Willie yesterday that y'all said the burr would be taken out in that first cut.  He said he figured that.   ;)

Willie saws mostly pine.  We've had a relatively good bit of cedar brought in, a little bit of oak, sweet gum and ash.  Timber industry has been quite strong here for YEARS.  There's not alot of hardwood anymore (compared to harvested/replanted pine) and people who have it on their property usually try to keep it.  At present, Willie is letting family member use log truck to take hardwood to the mill.  Get more money that way than milling.) 

We played around with the setter yesterday...no blade.  Just trying to '0' out the gauge and see how it all works.  I think we'll have to wait for the manual to get here.   :-\  When we finished sharpening yesterday, I hung up the blades and eyeballed the sets...they looked ok to me.  (not saying alot there)  I just now informed Willie that when I set, I'm gonna go .025.  He's sawing all pine now and a good bit is 'rich lightered'.  (putting his boots on so he hasn't answered me yet...what's up with guys waiting 10 or 15 min's before they answer?! >:()

I DID buy me some gloves yesterday.  Willie says he doesn't know why.   ???  I work 3 days/wk at a small grocery store/cafe.  There is a group of "more mature" men who come in everyday for coffee and to solve the world's problems.  They've been kidding me alot since I told them of my new toys.  I do my own nails and they are med. long. (artificial) One man mentioned my new work might not mix with my "purdy nails".  I told them they were safety measures...if I hit a nail...it's too close to the end of my finger!

Well...the Boss has just left the building.  I reckon I should get my posterior in gear, wake the kids and get to the sharpener.  I was informed yesterday that he expects all his blades to be sharpened today....after he tries one of my re-sharps in the mill and it passes his inspection.   :-\  Y'all pray for me!   :angel:

Once again, you give me plenty to ponder, process and practice, Harold.  And once again...Thank you!
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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2011, 09:16:31 AM »
Morning SS
 When you start to sharpen a TK Blade, your machine will NOT match their profile.  You will need to keep practicing on that ruined blade, until you have gone all the way around. Once that happens, you will be in the process of establishing YOUR machine's profile.

 If you set the blade in the vise, and then run the sharpener SLOWLY, there IS a speed control on it, Then, when you get close to the blade, stop the cutting wheel, and proceed VERY slowly with the advance motor. As soon as the wheel is about to contact the face of the tooth, you can slide the blade whichever way it needs to go, to get the wheel to JUST touch that tooth face. Tighten the vise, and proceed to run the ADVANCE motor very slowly.

 You do NOT want the wheel to be gouged by the tooth, as it drops, so, pay close attention to that. Once you have done all the way around 1 tooth, you can see where the adjustments need to be made. Make SMALL adjustments, and, run the machine slowly. Don't use up the whole blade just to see how it is functioning.

 Once the machine is doing it's job, then, make those micro adjustments.

 You NEVER want to take a lot of metal off the blades. Light skim cuts are what you want.

 If you set then sharpen, the first cut in the log will take care of that burr.

 I look for cracks as the blade is going around the sharpener. Rarely do I find a blade that has a crack much deeper than the rest. Going at about 1 tooth per second or a little faster, is as fast as I ever go. No need to go fast, in case something goes wrong. I usually set 2 blades, before starting to sharpen the first one. Gives me time to always have a fresh blade ready to sharpen, and still, watch what is happening. Once you get in the groove, you can pretty much just listen to the sound of the stone kissing the tooth.

 I usually go around each blade twice. Just back off the advance rod on the NEXT Blade, just a tad, so you don't take a heavy grind on the first pass.

 Like I said, others may do things differently.   Good Luck.

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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2011, 10:54:02 AM »
Mr. Harold...I sure wish I would have been online when you posted this.  I spent most of yesterday fussing with that blamed old sharpener until I was frustrated almost to the point of either cussing or tears.  (sometimes I hate being female) I finally resorted to calling Wood Mizer tech who was very helpful in telling me I was not, in my own opinion, an idiot.  TK blades cannot be correctly be sharpened on a WM sharpener!  HALLELUJAH!!   lol  I was soooo relieved!  WM is sending 2 blades, free of charge, for us to try and the Tech said I would find:
a) would sharpen correctly on WM sharpener. (der!)
b) ordering WM blades is cheaper than TK blades.
c) better quality blade.
d) get more resharps out of WM blade.  7-8 vs. 3-5.

Roger that, on speed control.  Going to print out your instructions and take out with me to the sharpener.  Me, WM tech and Willie had decided I would just sharpen the TK blades the best I could until they break and have ordered WM blades as soon as $$ allows so we can start using them.  I went to mill this morning and gathered all the blades I could find, including bent and broke toothed ones (practice blades), Willie hauled them to the house on tractor.  I have 40 blades in all to do today.  He's gonna be gone all day helping his brother put out fertilzer and finishing the storage shed he's building for his mom.  Armed with your instruction, my own diligence and the help of The Good Lord...I hope to pleasantly surprise him with some blades sharpened better than we had hoped. 

About gouging the grinding wheel...  :-\...learned that lesson yesterday.  Which led to the realization we need a dressing stone.   :-[

I figure either today or Monday I should be receiving the manuals for both sharpener and setter in the mail.  I will then have some good reading to take to work with me! 

And so...I'm signing out to get to work. I told Willie before he left that I was not responsible for lost, broken or stolen blades.   ::)  But that he would be responsible for any injuries I incurred in the sharpening of his blades. 

Thanks again for your time and patience with me!   ;D Will post again either this evening or in the morning to report my progress. 
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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2011, 12:09:24 PM »


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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2011, 12:37:05 PM »

 When you take the blades off the mill, wipe them down good and then use an oily rag to wipe them down again. If you have a saw shed, hang them up in there, or coil them and put them in a cut off 55 Gallon barrel, with a copper wire wrap, so they don't GETCHA.  :o :o ;D ;D

 My Son and I built our Sawmill, and tried all sorts of different blades. One blade we could NOT make work was the WM Blade. We ended up using Munksforsager or Monkey Blades as I called them. They would not get rusty for a LONG time, sharpened very nicely, were a tad bit tough to set, but, held the set very well, and we wore them suckers clean out, without breaking but 1.

 We have trailer wheels and tires as our blade wheels. I'm sure the slightly larger dia., and softer rubber, are the main reasons our blades last so long.

 Now, you see why I modded the Cam wheel a bit, to match them Monkey Blades.

 We got them from a place in Ga. Kenne-saw is the name. Google it and give them a call. They should send you 1 free one, also. I paid $20.00 a blade in a box of 5 or 10, + shipping. GREAT SERVICE.  If they for some reason don't have them, try Menominee Saw, in Michigan. They supposedly handle Munks also.

 I hope you are using .042 thick, more or less, and 7/8" tooth to tooth. and 1/¼" wide. We use 1½" wide to saw WIDE Table tops, and, they come out nice. 1½" blades are WM's.

 As you sharpen the TK Blades, you will eventually get to where the entire gullet is being ground out. Don't sweat it. It ain't all that difficult. Just THINK before you adjust.

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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2011, 04:24:27 PM »
SS, have wm send you a 7 degree blade I think yall will like them. Thats all I use now on all types of wood. ;D

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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2011, 08:29:49 AM »
Duly noted, Carl.  Thank you, sir!

I got 10 blades sharpened yesterday.  But...since these are TK blades and a WM sharpener, the grind was not complete or real good.  I have to keep reminding myself not to form habits till I get good blades for this sharpener.  The grind is changing the shape of the gullet from a more or less rounded shape to more of a straight lined gullet.  I asked Willie about attempting to adjust the vice on the sharpener, too.  The left side still allows a bit of slip even when clamped down.  I know it only needs a little tweak, but I'd feel better with it being a weeee bit tighter.  I noticed, too, that if I was getting a satisfactory grind at the beginning of the blade, it would change just a hair by the end of the blade...taking off a little more of the tooth than I was actually pleased with.  Also noticed that the newer TK Max blades we have been buying recently were getting more of a full grind than the older blades.  Old blades: grind on front of tooth and about 1/8" down into gullet, then barely catching the top of tooth back.  Newer blades would only have very small skip at very bottom of gullet, just a bit right of center.  I then separated all newer blades from older ones and sharpened those first.  Only have 30 more to go to have them all done!   ::)  Would have had more done but Willie's buddies kept coming by.  Had to come gawk at me sharpening blades and then ask questions, etc, etc,.   Men! >:(

Harold, Willie is wanting another mill...larger one for big pine we keep getting.  Do ya think you would mind sharing how you built your mill?  Willie is VERY good with that kind of stuff.  Turned his Chevy, flat bed one ton into a short log truck.  If you don't mind sharing I could give you my personal email for you to send "how to's". 

About blades 'gettin' ya'.  The only thing I've had happen so far are fine cuts in my thumbs from handling that first day.  Wore my gloves yesterday.  (der)  Even had Marcus (7 yr old son) on the porch with me, scraping resin off blades for me and then wiping down with diesel.  I told him I'd pay him.  "That's ok, Mom.  I really like helping you.  And maybe this can be my job someday."  He was watching me like a hawk!  Gonna have to get him some gloves, too! 

More sharpening Monday............

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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2011, 09:00:21 AM »
 SS, now you know why I "Modded" the cam. WM blades have that flat bottom gullet. Some guys like it, I prefer rounded gullet.

 The blade needs to slide through the vise easily but firmly. You might open up the vise and look around. If it is used, there will be a buildup of rust and grindings in around the moving parts of the vise, especially around the back side, where the grindings get thrown. Also, check that the springs are loose. Junk will bind them up, and then, you are working against the spring action.

 Hopefully, you have the 3 long tubing sections to support the blades as they go around. I found that I needed to put a "Spring Clamp on 2 of the tubes, so the blade rode nicely on those supports.  Mine had the plastic rollers broken off.  ::) ::)

 10 blades in 1 day, in the beginning, is not bad at all. How's the setting going  ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

 On sawing sappy wood. Get a can of Pam, spray cooking fluid. Don't know what's in it, but, just a VERY quick squirt, as the blade is moving, and, that sap will NOT stick.  We always had a couple cans of WD40, so, using the red tube that comes with the can, hit the blade a tad. Works well also.

  Too bad y'all live so far from Florida. I would sell you the one we built, ready to go. I spent a bunch of time and some money, redoing some things on it, then, the interested party backed out.  ::) ::) ::)

 I could send photos. PM me your email address.

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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2011, 12:45:57 PM »
Gullet:  what would be the difference between straight and rounded gullet? 

Vise: there is a bolt through each spring on vise with nuts at back.  Could I clean the vise and then give just a tweak of a turn to bolt or nut to tighten just slightly?  I realize there still has to be enough slack to slide and really the left one is the only one that needs adjusted.   

Yes, there are the 3 long tubes for blade support.  They were bent when we bought it.  All bent in approx the same place, close to sharpener.  We figure either the machine was knocked over or for some reason they were bent purposely.  At any rate, Willie straightened them.  Also have 2 wheels missing on tubes, as well.  I put a PVC coupling on the right one for temporary measure yesterday.  Seemed to help a bit.  I was thinking about large, wooden thread spools. Will look at spring clamps, though. 

Setting: I haven't even attempted setting yet as neither Willie nor I have quite figured out the gauge yet.  That owner's manual should be here tomorow...hopefully.  Is the gauge in thousandths of inch...or what measurement.  It reads 10, 20, 30, etc, etc. 

We were using Dawn Dish soap in the water jug for lube.  Have to put half a bottle for each fill up of water.  We are on a REALLY tight budget and that was getting expensive.  Cooking spray sounds good; always have that.  I've been sposed to buy some WD40 for...ummm...a few days now.  I HATE going to town/shopping.   :P 

Willie is planning on building me a shack out by the mill. (Among his list of other projects) At the moment, I'm set up on the back porch...with no steps.  All the climbing up and down yesterday has got my legs pretty sore.  Willie says it's good exercise.   :P  I told him this morning:  no steps...no sharpened blades.

Oh!  What is best way to store blades: rolled up or just hanging?  When Willie rolls a blade he secures them with a zip tie.  An article I read at WM said might want to let blades soak in tub with diesel overnight to clean up before sharpening/setting.  I've been wiping down with diesel as alot of these blades have been hanging or stored in old bus for awhile and are fairly rusty.  Would a light go over with a wire brush and WD40 be in order for these?  Rust = build up which might interfere with setting?   

Willie is planning some 'modifications' to his mill.  Suggestions from old friend/customer.  Will tell you more 'bout that later as it's almost time for me to head to work.  I played hookie from church this morning to spend time with Willie.  Just couldn't get myself in 'rush' mode this morning. 
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2011, 03:53:25 PM »

 We use just plain water for lube. Then, spray if we need to. Dial Indicator (Gauge) is in thousandths. If you set a blade in there, make sure it is the "Straight" one. 1 left bend, 1 right bend, 1 NOT BENT, to drag the sawdust out. Then, as you push the handle forward on the setter, it should ")" out just as it touches the tooth.  Then, move the blade so you get a "Correct" tooth to set, and push the handle until it just makes firm contact on the tooth. See what it reads. You only want to bend the top third of the teeth, NOT the whole tooth.

 Once you have gone completely around the blade, NOW, you have to turn it inside out, to set the other way. Then, TURN IT BACK RIGHT SIDE OUT, to sharpen. IF YOU FORGET, it won't saw.  ::) ::)

 If you have the room, hanging blades is good. Make sure you keep dull blades in another area. Zip ties can get expensive. Use short lengths of soft wire. Just bend it around the blade a couple times. There isn't much power needed to hold a blade closed. Just don't EVER get on the wrong side of those coils when you open one.

 If the blades are just rusty, you should be good to just wipe them with a chunk of Denim rag and oil. If they feel rough, a little sandpaper will work better than a wire brush. Just wear them gloves.

 Wood Mizer has great ideas, as long as you live in town. That barrel of diesel will cost a fortune and be full of bugs, snakes and mice, right quick. As soon as the sharp blade gets into the log, it will self clean. Then, it's easier to KEEP THEM CLEAN, instead of letting them rust. That's another reason we liked them Munks. We lived about 3 miles from the Atlantic ocean, so, things were always rusting.

 Before you buy any blades, call them Munks people. Kenne-saw first.  http://www.kenne-saw.com/content/18.htm

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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2011, 07:47:19 AM »
Had a man suggest to me the other day: take out those straight teeth.  He says this will take out more sawdust.  Sounds messed up to me, as well as time consuming. 

Gloves:  getting better about wearing them.  Also found out that flip flops aren't really good footwear for this job either.  Almost took off a toe the other day.  Now sporting my steel-toed Redwings, grudgingly.  When it gets hot around here...which it has...I can't breathe with shoes on!  Would rather go barefooted...but I love my toes, too.   

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That barrel of diesel will cost a fortune and be full of bugs, snakes and mice, right quick.

LOL  Remember...I have small children.  That barrel of diesel would be full of more than just bugs, snakes and mice!  When Derek (aka Boogie) was little he saw Willie dipping our dogs in diesel to get rid of flees.  Boog figured he'd help Poppa by dipping the cats.  Hmmm...cats and diesel don't mix.  Wiped out our whole feline population in one fell swoop!   ::)

I might get the blade with broke teeth to 'play' with on setter today.  I've not even tried that yet. 

Hanging blades and space:  As I said, at present I'm set up on the back porch so space is not too much a problem.  I'll make sure that Willie builds my shed roomy enough for doing this.

We do NOT live in town, thank God!  I've been told we live so far out in the woods...we have to pump in sunshine.  And that's the way I like it.  Reckon I'm gonna have to go to town today to get WD40, though.  *sigh*  :(

Have Kenne-saw on my list of things to do today. 

btw...Willie says to tell you thank you for all your help!  I overheard Marcus (7) telling his cousin yesterday, as they were peering up on the porch at the sharpener and setter, "Yeah, Momma is sharpening Poppa's blades and our uncle Harold has been teaching her how on the computer."  I told him Harold is not kin to us...that I know of.  "Oh...then why is he helping you?"  "Just because he's real nice just like the others on that website are real nice, too."   :laugh:  (and they were 'peering' from the ground...I've made some serious threats of physical harm if I catch ANY kids up there messin' with my stuff!!!)

Gotta get up and get busy.  Them other 30 blades ain't gonna get sharp just sitting there.  And "the boss" just walked out the door.  "You ain't got that machine cranked up yet?" 
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2011, 08:09:59 AM »

 Just glad to be able to help.  ;D ;D

 If you take out those straight teeth, you will end up with the blade acting up, I'm thinking. Just imagine a chainsaw when you have some teeth messed up a little.

 I may be the lead man in helping you, but, trust me, if I say something wrong, the guys on this site will jump right in and set (US) straight.  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2011, 08:44:56 AM »
I figure those teeth are there for a reason.  I mean, I'm all for modifying where it's needed and possible...but I think that's taking it a bit too far. 

And what about the gullet?  How does the shape of the gullet affect it's purpose?

Everyone on this site has been friendly and helpful and I thank you all!!!!  I always make sure to give y'all the credit when someone asks me about something concerning the sharpening. 

Man who comes into the store where I work is doing HUGE kitchen renovation for "financially well off folks" on the lake.  He heard me talking to my boss about the sharpener.  Now...he says he's gonna be looking for a sharpener for circular saw blades for me.  Says he has to drive 60 mi to Lufkin to have them sharpened...and they send them off.  Says he has a 2' stack of blades waiting for someone to sharpen them.  I told him to wait on that...cash is scarce after buying our 'new' equipment.  "Don't you worry about that, honey." and he turned around and walked out.  I have no idea what he means by that...but I'm almost skeered!   :-\  Willie says if I could do that, I would have more work than I'd have time for.  So...who knows about sharpening other types of blades?   ;)

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2011, 12:36:19 PM »
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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2011, 12:56:55 PM »
 Not gonna happen, SS.  ;D ;D :-* ;D ;D

 Us guys with Swing Blade Mills, sharpen right on the mill, at least us Peterson guys do. I can see you getting plenty of blade work. That's a whole nother thing, but, if that guy comes through, you can do those blades as easily, or more easily, than Band Blades.  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2011, 01:40:23 PM »
If there is one investment I am glad I made it was the upgrade to CBN wheels for my WM sharpener! 

The wheel is the excat profile and it grinds it in one down stoke, thus no messing with reshaping the old stone I use to have to make sure the profile stayed the way it should.

I can do about 10 blades in an hour now.
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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2011, 07:58:08 AM »
Thanks for the votes of confidence, guys!  ;D

Kirk, there was a moment while looking at products on WM site when I thought about using CBN wheels...but then I figured they would not fit on my machine.  It's the "Vitreous Wheel Sharpener".

Harold, I looked around at Circular Saw blade sharpeners yesterday.  I could either pay about $4000 or $69.95.  Hmmm....such a decision.   ::)  But, I read the comments (on cheaper model) and all said there were alot of adjustments they had to make right out of the box.  Am I smart enough to make those adjustments?  Hmmm....  Need to do more research on this one. 

I got "0" blades sharpened yesterday.  My excuse:  I don't normally eat breakfast.  Fix for everyone else but I don't eat.  Yesterday, I shared breakfast with Willie when I took his to the mill for him.  Sausage sandwich.  I weren't worth shootin' all day.  Just wanted to lay down on a board somewhere, curl up and go to sleep!  Ain't eatin' breakfast this morning!  Took me 2 hrs to get back from town.  All those people!  AARRRGGGHHH! >:(

Gonna check around and see if anyone in our area has a Swing Blade Mill.  This is where my "talent" comes in handy.  Willie says I'll talk to a fence post about the weather...(translation) - I don't meet a stranger!   ;) (as if y'all haven't figure that out yet.)  More research...more practice.  Willie has had no complaints with my blades yet.  Whew!  8)
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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2011, 08:06:15 AM »

 SS, that swing mill blade sharpening was just to let you know, round blades are not difficult to sharpen. You still have to learn about things like, blisters, out of round, out of plane, (Wobble), things like that.

 I would just wait and see what the Cafe guy comes up with. He may know someone that knows someone with a machine for cheap, or free. Used to be a LOT of Belsaw sharpeners being used. Ads were everywhere in magazines.

 Great news on the "Boss's" lack of negativity.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 Find that email, yet ?? Did you check all your junk folders-spam folders ?? Gmail says it went out, and, I did not receive a Non-delivery message ?????????

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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2011, 08:45:26 AM »
Yes sir...was checking Quarantine folders periodically yesterday.  Still nothing. 

And yes, I told Willie I'd have to get where I feel confident with all this sharpening.  No way I'm gonna work for someone else when I don't feel confident with my work. And btw...cafe guy is talking about skill saw blades.  He's in cabinetry. Son-in-law says a carbide blade cannot be resharped.  Says carbide tips break off.  Comments on blade sharpener yesterday were talking about sharpening carbide blades and didn't say anything about tips breaking.  Now...I'm confused.   :-\  (not a rare occurrence)
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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2011, 11:46:01 AM »

 Hate to say this, but, open up a Gmail acct. Use it strictly for Internet based stuff, not really personal.

 I will try the first one you posted, on Gmail, again.  I don't like Silly named sites like "Twitter"  and "Facebook". Sounds like childish stuff to me.  ::) ::) ::)

 "I'm tweeting on twitter."  What the hell  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2011, 11:50:42 AM »

 Gmail says "Message Sent". ???  This was your first address you sent.   ::) ::) ;D ;D

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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2011, 11:58:39 AM »
LOL Harold!  I talk to much to Twitter.  8)  Opened up an acct but couldn't really get into it.  Had some back problems last yr and couldn't do anything but lie down or sit...spent WAAY too much time on Facebook.  Found a cool game to get into and got addicted.  When my back got better, it was still a habit.  Willie were not a happy camper.   :-\  I had to quit "cold turkey" for awhile.  Now, I'm on there just long enough to post my Devotion, check political news my friends post and make a comment or two...then I'm here!  Was checking into something for Willie and figured I'd check in here, at the moment.  

Will look at Gmail.......................
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Re: Sharpening/Setting procedures
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2011, 12:02:50 PM »
setting up gmail acct now...will PM you my address.
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